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1200 Reasons to join The Cult: Doc Builds a Miyata

Old 03-19-19, 06:57 PM
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1200 Reasons to join The Cult: Doc Builds a Miyata

So, I've never owned a Miyata. Admired them, looked at them, ridden with others who have them, but other than riding Centurions that likely were Miyata cousins, never owned one. Figured if I ever did decide to buy one, it would have to be a) rather special, and 2) able to be made even more special-er.

Then several weeks ago across the hall, someone posted an 83 Miyata 1200 frameset, which was the non-aero version of their then-professional lineup. In my size. And a colorway (gold and brown) that was unusual enough to make me wonder...is it time? Do I really want/need another bike? Is there room in The Secret Underground Laboratory?

Meanwhile, a rather upscale and personal favorite groupset started to fall into my hands. Fate?

You be the judge. More to follow.

Yes, there will be difficulty and rare parts involved. And beer. Lots of beer.

Oh yes, so much beer.
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Old 03-19-19, 07:07 PM
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I heard Miyatas are now legal in many states, even if just for medicinal purposes.

I'm jealous, 'cause now you get to learn the handshake and EVERYTHING.....

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Old 03-19-19, 07:17 PM
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I have a Miata.
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Originally Posted by rccardr View Post


Then several weeks ago across the hall, someone posted an 83 Miyata 1200 frameset, which was the non-aero version of their then-professional lineup. In my size. And a colorway (gold and brown) that was unusual enough to make me wonder...is it time? Do I really want/need another bike? Is there room in The Secret Underground Laboratory?
Might be the frame I sold last year. Is it a 56cm? I decided it was a bit crowded for me, put the components on a 58cm Koga-Miyata Gentsracer.

It was a great ride. Accelerated like a bat, could ride it hands free for blocks at a time, one of those bikes that's stable, predictable but quick. "course, I rode it with the original 700 x 20 tires most of the time, never seemed too twitchy.

You could do worse, though no sense looking for the original components..(the Cyclone II derailleur is way too expensive).. I switched the crank to a Sugino 48/34 for easier climbing with more of a corncob on the back.
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Had a 79 Miyata model 912 really liked that bike, wish I still had it. Enjoy
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I just overhauled a Miyata 1200 for the Bike exchange a couple months ago . Beautiful Gold metal flake / brown color.

The bike was in almost new condition , just needed cleaning and lube.
Here are the specs for that bike as sold ($600. sold quickly)
1982 Miyata 1200

Paint – Factory gold metal flake with Brown steer tube

Frame and fork- 58 cm double butted Miyata cromo with Suntour superbe forged dropouts, 126mm rear dropout spacing.

Bars - Cinelli Criterion

Levers- - Suntour superbe

Head set - Tange Falcon

Front and rear brakes-Suntour superbe

Front derailleur -Suntour Superbe

Rear derailleur- Suntour Superbe

Downtube shifters- Suntour Symetric shifters with auto trim feature

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Cassette- Shimano Hyperglide 12-28 tooth

Pedals- (optional) – VP model 338 A alloy / steel cage

Seat- (optional) SR with built in rear flasher.

Seat post – SR P 5a Aero post

It had Diacomp ngc400 brakes on it when it came in. I had a set of Superb brakes and levers in my stash so I said Why not and changed them .
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Mr Miyata looks on with approval.

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Watching. I think I might know of some of the parts you'll be using
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Originally Posted by FrenchFit View Post
Might be the frame I sold last year. Is it a 56cm? I decided it was a bit crowded for me...
You could do worse, though no sense looking for the original components..(the Cyclone II derailleur is way too expensive)..
It's either a 57 or a 58, forget which size Miyata sold that year. No idea how long the guy I bought it from owned it, but it had been built up with insane modern stuff.

No Cyclone for me. This is getting a mix of components that I consider my 'favorite group'.
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[Impatiently taps foot] Hey guys, nice weather we're having today. Um, how about some pics?
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Does this mean you'll be getting rid of a buncha Cannondales? 🤔😉 Not likely, I guess. 😁 Have fun with it. 😎
I thought that sand-off guy was named Mr. Miyagi, but clearly I was mistaken (again). 😁
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Does this mean you'll be getting rid of a buncha Cannondales? 🤔😉 Not likely, I guess. 😁 Have fun with it. 😎
I thought that sand-off guy was named Mr. Miyagi, but clearly I was mistaken (again). 😁
wax off ........... and sand da floor
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Hmmm... I've got a Superbe front and 1st gen Cyclone rear, along with a Symmeteric aero shifter doing nothing at the moment...
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Originally Posted by stardognine View Post
I thought that sand-off guy was named Mr. Miyagi, but clearly I was mistaken (again). 😁
Well, yes, but when he rides a bike, he’s Mr Miyata.
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[Impatiently taps foot] Hey guys, nice weather we're having today. Um, how about some pics?
Frame arrives tomorrow, pics to follow.

I'll also address The Gorilla In The Room, also known as You Wanna Do WHAT?

Keep the beer cold, it will be worth it.
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Originally Posted by stardognine View Post
Does this mean you'll be getting rid of a buncha Cannondales? 🤔😉 Not likely, I guess.
Correct. No Cannondales will be harmed in the building of this Miyata.
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Looking forward to this.
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You had me at Miyata.

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Seller's picture. Love the spoon shaped stay ends and long-ish lug points...
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My Miyata experience is a little different- I think.

My experience with bikes is mostly with early/mid 80s touring bikes- as those bikes are meant to be robust enough to carry loads for long distances- however the upper level bikes lean harder towards the “light” and “compliant” side of things- with burliness being slightly less important. My secret theory is that the upper level bikes were partially justified in the outrageously high price by using the recognizably prestigious tubing.

My Miyata 1000LT is a 1990 model- by this time, robustness was becoming more important than the prestige of using 531 or lighter weight tubing. So while Miyata’s STB tubing is prestigious it’s not particularly lightweight- but the version of it used on the 1000LT is exceptionally stiff and robust.

To that end- my Miyata 1000LT is heavier, yet stiffer than my Trek 620 and 720 and Schwinn Voyageur SP.
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Seller's picture. Love the spoon shaped stay ends and long-ish lug points...
Nice...teaser.
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Nice...teaser.
Well, sure.

But the big concern is a feature of this frame that differs from any other frame I've ever built up. Some of you (Robbie, others) know about my concerns because we've exchanged information about attempts (many of them unsuccessful, all of them frustrating) to do what I'm trying to accomplish here.

Once I have the frame in hand- hopefully late this evening- I'll know immediately whether I was able to suss this out. Pics and info then.

Meanwhile, keep that beer cold
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I feigned impatience, but I actually quite enjoy the suspense as a periodic distraction from work... I like that we're not just waiting for pics, but also for an unveiling of a grand plan...
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I am looking forward to the electronic shifting on this bike
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I'm waiting for the wave helmet that will go on this bike...
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