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Old 03-25-19, 04:13 PM
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What Miele is this?

So I found a Miele frame on Craigslist and with emailing back and forth he said he had a nicer frame he had not advertised yet if I was interested. Long story short This is it, but what model is it? It has a Campagnolo headset, he stated it was all Campagnolo when he got it. The seat bolt is Strong Light. I searched online and found one with the same paint but nothing stating what model it is. It seems to be a white base with red "cobwebbing" over it. It has a pump mount on the back of the steerer tube. 3 guides for the rear brake cable. 2 water bottle mounts. There is no name on the dropouts. The tubing is Ishiwata Cr Mo 022 ( Google says that's pretty good). I know Mr. Miele is a Italian transplanted to Canada so I would assume Italian thread but haven't checked it yet. I found a serial number under the BB plastic cable guide of Co8Jo. If that is the serial number, it's pretty short. Would it be an 1988 frame?

Any Idea what model and year it is? I appreciate your guys input.









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Old 03-25-19, 06:36 PM
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Great shape and nice tubing. Excellent bike. Don't recall the model but someone will chime in, there's many Miele fans out there.
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Old 03-26-19, 10:32 AM
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Based on the logo style, it is a 1989-1990 model. The logo was different in 1988 and changed yet again in 1991. The Campagnolo parts would appear to be a red herring. The only Campagnolo equipped model in 1990 was the Latina and it had a front derailleur hanger. All the 1988 Campagnolo equipped models also had derailleur hangers. Regarding the Ishiwata 022, none of the 1990 models were spec'd with it and in 1988 only the Azsora, which was 2nd from the bottom of the line, used it. All this points towards a 1989 entry level model. Normally, I would suggest checking the steering column of the fork for a date code but given the presence of fender eyelets on the fork dropouts while there are none on the rear triangle dropouts would suggest a non-original fork or possibly a tre-tubi frame. Regardless, if the frame hasn't been built up yet, I would remove the fork and check for a date code. The OP says he has seen one identical paint job and if he can provide a link, I may be able to find some further clues as to the model.
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Old 03-26-19, 01:11 PM
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Here is the link you asked for T-Mar, They say that one might be mid 80's and came originally with Campagnolo Victory. They later state 1988 model year.

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?t=145741
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Thank-you. There was a 1986-1988 model with Campagnolo Victory, simply called the Miele Victory. However, the crankset and pedals on the Paceline bicycle looks more like Campagnolo Triomphe. There was also a 1986-1988 Miele Triomphe, which used the same Columbus frameset (tretubi SL in 1986, Matrix/Cromor in 1987-1988) as the Miele Victory. All three years of both models had a front derailleur braze-on and used the older style Miele logo. The Campagnolo on the Paceline bicycle corroborates the seller's statement and those are definitely 1989 decals, so it would appear that Miele carried over the Triomphe and/or Victory models into 1989 (with a tubeset change and some cost concessions) but not 1990. If this was my frame, I'd be calling it a 1989 Miele Triomphe.
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Thank you T-Mar
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
If this was my frame, I'd be calling it a 1989 Miele Triomphe.
Just a reminder, it was around 87-88 that Jim Miele cleared out a ton of road bikes that weren't necessarily built up to catalogue spec. He got caught with a big inventory of road bikes when mtn bikes were catching fire and wanted room for stock. I was at the rented showroom clearance and saw some nice deals but I was looking of an ATB myself. Just saying I wouldn't be surprised to see inconsistent componentry around that time.
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Originally Posted by clubman View Post
Just a reminder, it was around 87-88 that Jim Miele cleared out a ton of road bikes that weren't necessarily built up to catalogue spec. He got caught with a big inventory of road bikes when mtn bikes were catching fire and wanted room for stock. I was at the rented showroom clearance and saw some nice deals but I was looking of an ATB myself. Just saying I wouldn't be surprised to see inconsistent componentry around that time.
Agreed, there is always the possibility of a non-spec factory bash-up. The Paceline bicycle actually looks like it is full Triomphe, with the exception of the brake levers and derailleus/shift levers. While a 600 Ultegra SIS and aero brake lever upgrade could have taken place at the factory, they would also have been very popular aftermarket upgrades on a Triomphe bicycle. I'd put the odds at around 50/50. However, since the OP is looking for a model name to hang upon his frame, the evidence provided by his bicycle, the seller and the Paceline bicycle, in conjunction with known Miele models of the era, puts a Miele Triomphe as my leading candidate until some 1989 literature surfaces.
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