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Old 03-30-19, 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by corn on the cog View Post
I seriously donít see where all you folks are getting these ideas about ďthe Rivendell crowd.Ē The people I see riding Rivs are the same type of people who ride Salsas, or 80s Japanese tourers, or 70s English sport-tourers, or Velo-Orangefied Surlys. They like steel, lugs, versatility, and a dash of style. Hey guess what, theyíre us! The C&V crowd. If you all want to get all high-schoolish about who are the nerds and who are the cool kids go for it, but in my opinion youíre projecting way more into the brand than the people I see actually riding these bikes for miles upon miles.
This.

You're thinking too hard, dude. Build the damn thing the way you want it, and ride. If I came across a reasonably priced Riv in my size, that fit my requirements, I would.
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Old 03-30-19, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by corn on the cog View Post
I seriously donít see where all you folks are getting these ideas about ďthe Rivendell crowd.Ē The people I see riding Rivs are the same type of people who ride Salsas, or 80s Japanese tourers, or 70s English sport-tourers, or Velo-Orangefied Surlys. They like steel, lugs, versatility, and a dash of style. Hey guess what, theyíre us! The C&V crowd. If you all want to get all high-schoolish about who are the nerds and who are the cool kids go for it, but in my opinion youíre projecting way more into the brand than the people I see actually riding these bikes for miles upon miles.
Perhaps, but not in my experience.

To them, my Cinelli-made Centurion Equipe was a "fake Cinelli." They so demeaned the one I built for a relative, he paid to have it painted Enzo red and re-decaled with old school Cinelli, upgraded to 8-sp Chorus Ergo; then they all oohed and aahed, nodding with approval. Maybe it was just that they were from Chapel Hill or Duke "in" crowd (and that, unfortunately, says quite a lot).

For the ones I've been involved in, it's like an ornament for the bike rack. It's their bike, though, to do with as they see fit. Their use is just not my use. I went to one of their Christmas dinners, and a visiting professor told me "Eddy Merckx gave me my Merckx." I looked at him, then said "what are you doing with this crowd?"

Decal it as an Ironman and they'll never speak to you again, except maybe to ask you to fix their flat, because their shop can't turn it around in time for the fall social mixer. And then, even though you do 3 hours of adjustments, wash it (beneath them), replace their neglected cables and actually lube the chain, for free, you may not have had it done in time for them to pick up on the way to the coffee shop. (Actually, the "free" part was my way of feeling superior. It works)

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Old 03-30-19, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by samkl View Post
I recently found a frame that fits what I need pretty perfectly: lightweight tubing, outstanding quality and craftsmanship, and, I hope, ideal for long brevets. It should fit me perfectly. The seller offered a fair price and I agreed to buy it.

My only issue with it: itís a Rivendell.

I know, itís an iconic brand whose bikes have a great reputation. The frame itself is gorgeous, with custom lugs etc. But Iím just not all that into their brand. Seems very much a statement to own a Rivendell, and I donít care about hatchets or pine tar soap or whether Grant thinks I should do squats. I just want to ride my bike, and I want my bike to be a bikeónot a symbol of my adherence to some vision of the world or cycling industry.

So my goal is to build up my Riv frame so that it looks good, but not much like a Rivendellói.e. no twine, no handlebars a foot above the saddle. Itíll be tough, because Iíll be putting on a brooks and bar end shifters.

Build ideas, suggestions, and visual inspiration appreciatedóas are people who think Iím being silly and want to argue.
OK, you asked for it.

"Should I tear the tag off of my Jordache jeans, so that no one knows I'm wearing a designer brand?" First World Problems.

I dunno, I guess you could de-badge the Rivendell. Or better yet re-arrange the letters so they spell something else.

"dellRiven" maybe? Sounds Italian. Or "R. vendelli" that really sounds Italian. Or maybe "dR evil" (Doctor Evil).
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Old 03-30-19, 07:13 AM
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I cant imagine ever affording one of grants frames but if i had one it wouldnt bother me to ride it. I was at an organized ride and saw one parked outside a bar. It looked great. The thing is if grants marketing bothers you, why wouldnt anyone elses marketing bother you? Its all bull****.
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I have a Cervelo R5. The thing is a fantastic machine. I rarely ride it to group rides because of the brand association of being for rich, ultra-competetive, elitist snobs that are way, way too serious about brand consciousness...Like the tools that subscribe to Rapha chic or the Starbucks crowd.

When I do take it to group rides, I wear a sleeveless Target/Wal-mart dri-fit sports jersey or a tank-top, blue jean shorts or some similar Fred type shennanigans. Then we dominate with 20-22+ mph rides (in spite of the advertised 16-18) & go have beer & deep-fried garbage for dinner.

It makes me feel better.

Powdercoat is cheap too. Then you could wear all the Birkenstocks, beads, & hemp necklaces you want & nobody would suspect the hippy you really are.

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I guess my point is that there was something there that appealed to you, even if it is something that you don't consider your identity. Maybe just some small aspect of it. I am not the rich, ultra-competetive, elitist snob the Cervelo brand appeals to. Rather, I'm a middle income, blue collar guy, that has no credit/debit card & drives a 10 year-old Prius. But to say their image doesn't apply in some way wouldn't be true either.

Something about the Riv applies to some aspect of you. Afterall, you didn't reject it. And that's ok. Go ride & enjoy.

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Old 03-30-19, 07:33 AM
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This reminds me:
I got back into cycling 20 years ago with a rescued from the curb Gitane/Nishiki mashup. At the turnaround of my ride, another cyclist had stopped on his Orange Rivendell. I told him that his bike was soooo cooool. He replied in a very stern voice, "It's Just A Bike!". My admiration of Rivendells is more discrete since then. Sheesh!
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Originally Posted by nomadmax View Post
This one is too easy.

Paint & decal it up like a Masi and call it good
Oh no you ditnt!!!
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Originally Posted by clubman View Post
Decal it as a Mordor,

One does not simply decal as a Mordor...
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Old 03-30-19, 07:56 AM
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Samkl-

Firstly, thanks for this thread. I’ve enjoyed the perspectives of those who have responded. I may be a newbie to this forum, but I’m a 58yr old cooter who still owns his first “pro” road bike, purchased in 1977 while working in my hometown bike shop during high-school youth. Agreed, the Rivendell you purchased looks great. Not familiar with the brand, I googled, then spent 10 minutes looking at their website. Hell... I think you are missing the point and shouldn’t be repulsed, miffed or whatever it is that drives you crazy about the brand. They are a young company with young people who are seemingly successful at keeping the heritage of craftsman-built steel frames alive. In a time of blue-tooth shifting Taiwanese rolling brand billboard bikes, I find Rivendell refreshing. Would I ride a bike with drop bars and a super high-ride stem? No, but that’s ok. You appear to be young enough to give a damn about a company’s mission statements, or marketing maneuvers. Advise: Ignore that and build the bike—see if the relaxed geometry fits your needs and enjoy it. If you haven’t, learn to embrace and enjoy the stark differences between old school and current technologies. This forum’s audience is among the 5% in the world who might actually recognize or care about the differences between a retro Rivendell frame or vintage Albert Eisentraut, Strawberry, Keith Lippy or Glenn Erickson frames. It’s all good!
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Decal it as a Mordor,
Ha, that’s great.
@fender1’s Riv comes to mind as a very nice example.
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Samkl-

Firstly, thanks for this thread. Iíve enjoyed the perspectives of those who have responded. I may be a newbie to this forum, but Iím a 58yr old cooter who still owns his first ďproĒ road bike, purchased in 1977 while working in my hometown bike shop during high-school youth. Agreed, the Rivendell you purchased looks great. Not familiar with the brand, I googled, then spent 10 minutes looking at their website. Hell... I think you are missing the point and shouldnít be repulsed, miffed or whatever it is that drives you crazy about the brand. They are a young company with young people who are seemingly successful at keeping the heritage of craftsman-built steel frames alive. In a time of blue-tooth shifting Taiwanese rolling brand billboard bikes, I find Rivendell refreshing. Would I ride a bike with drop bars and a super high-ride stem? No, but thatís ok. You appear to be young enough to give a damn about a companyís mission statements, or marketing maneuvers. Advise: Ignore that and build the bikeósee if the relaxed geometry fits your needs and enjoy it. If you havenít, learn to embrace and enjoy the stark differences between old school and current technologies. This forumís audience is among the 5% in the world who might actually recognize or care about the differences between a retro Rivendell frame or vintage Albert Eisentraut, Strawberry, Keith Lippy or Glenn Erickson frames. Itís all good!
You're an old coot; an old cooter is a completely different thing
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You're an old coot; an old cooter is a completely different thing
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I have a Cervelo R5. The thing is a fantastic machine. I rarely ride it to group rides because of the brand association of being for rich, ultra-competetive, elitist snobs that are way, way too serious about brand consciousness...Like the tools that subscribe to Rapha chic or the Starbucks crowd.

When I do take it to group rides, I wear a sleeveless Target/Wal-mart dri-fit sports jersey or a tank-top, blue jean shorts or some similar Fred type shennanigans. Then we dominate with 20-22+ mph rides (in spite of the advertised 16-18) & go have beer & deep-fried garbage for dinner.

It makes me feel better.
that's a lot of analysis to handle just for a group ride. Unfortunate thst you can't just ignore the perceived judging and ride whatever bike you like in comfort(instead of jorts).
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First, funny thread. Second, I thought rivendell was more yuppie than hippie.
Although it may seem silly and you may say just ride it, as long as you like it don't worry about it. But the same thing happened to me. I purchased an old trek 5900 just to rob the parts for my Ironman. I was going to immediately get rid of frame But I figured I'd give it a good ride first. Yeah I've ridden carbon before but just test rides. Here was my chance to really ride it. But admittedly I felt kinda weird about riding it. So I built it with a long cage and big freewheel from my parts bin. I figured that would be enough against the grain for me to feel comfortable. But No. I still feel weird riding it. Why? Because its a trek ,nothing against trek ,there's just So Many, Everywhere.
I'm old enough to know what I like and not care what others think (just like most c&vers). But that's the thing, I know what makes me feel good and a trek doesn't. But I'll keep it (for now) to ride with my riding buddy as that's the only bike I have with regular road bars. Oh, about the trek 5900 ride? Not surprisingly (well at least to '88 and '89 Ironman owners), it rides like an Ironman but lighter.

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You're an old coot; an old cooter is a completely different thing
Hilarious!

I really need to hire a proof reader. I meant to say ďcodgerĒ, not coot, and CERTAINLY not cooter! You know what? Laughter is good and hopefully a few dozen folks will appreciate the gaff. Eww. Old cooter.... wow.
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Laughter is good and hopefully a few dozen folks will appreciate the gaff.
I don't get it
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that's a lot of analysis to handle just for a group ride. Unfortunate thst you can't just ignore the perceived judging and ride whatever bike you like in comfort(instead of jorts).
In the summer time I lead (usually) 2 group rides a week. People of all skill levels, abilities, & income are always present. Elitism has negative connotations & is usually considered a turn-off to new riders/group members.

For those of us in the faster groups we all know eachother & nobody cares. For the more moderate paced groups, I am conscious of what they observe.

This year I have signed up to lead the 12-14 mph group a night a week. For that I'll be on my 1974 Schwinn or my aluminum store brand bike. I think it's a good PR move to be as welcoming and personable, down to Earth as possible. If for no other reason than to counter the big-brand marketing.

So it's not just my feelings at issue. It's the image I am aware I also convey.
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Personally I say just ride it. Itís the good kind of Rivendell- smaller tubes, no double top tube, and doesnít weigh 50 pounds like the Sam Hillborne I tried. I bet itís really well built and rides like any great steel frame. When youíre rolling you canít see the brand on the downtube anyway unless youíre doing it wrong.

If people judge you they arenít people you want to know or care about anyway. I second the crazy name changes especially if they are English to fit the fancy lugs or Italian because Iím of Italian descent. Or wear a T-shirt like the ďCuttersĒ but make it say ďCootersĒ. Everyone will be confused and avoid you. Problem solved!
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Something about the Riv applies to some aspect of you. Afterall, you didn't reject it. And that's ok. Go ride & enjoy.
Yes, absolutely. I want to be clearóI think itíll be an amazing frame. I love the craftsmanship and Iíll love the chance to ride high quality steel. This is something I could never afford new, so Iím grateful to get the chance to ride such a nice frame.
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I don't get it
"Cooter" has become an American slang term for a lady part. Usually only used in informal situations, mildly inappropriate, but innocuous.
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IMHO you are over thinking it. you have a great quality frame that fits. Only bike people will have any idea what a rivendell is and those "those that object don't matter and those that matter wont object"

more fun is the build:

Indexed or friction?

how many speeds?

gearing range

matching group

what do you define as looks good? vintage look or ok with current black loom?

this duarace 7700 groups would be a good base FS: VGC Dura Ace 7700 Group - STIs, Brakes, F/R Derailleurs, Crank, BB & Cassette add the barends, get a ultegra or dura ace longer cage derailer and add the 8000 series ultegras cassette 12-34 iirc

good look, wide range but that is me
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Hilarious!

I really need to hire a proof reader. I meant to say ďcodgerĒ, not coot, and CERTAINLY not cooter! You know what? Laughter is good and hopefully a few dozen folks will appreciate the gaff. Eww. Old cooter.... wow.
at 58 you don't qualify for old codger........it would included too many others of us in that category.......

now get off my lawn
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here a build by @sloar that may be of interest Trek 520 finished, my way.
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Well, this turned out to be a hilarious thread, but thanks squirtdad for asking the real questions!

Build will be a mix of parts I already have and things I have to buy. Iíd like to keep it lightweight and affordable, if possible...

Hereís whatís comes from the parts bin:

9-speed bar end shifters
DA 7400 32h hubs, or perhaps I get a SP dynamo front hub (need to be laced to rims)
Brooks team pro black saddle
Ritchey classic seatpost

Everything else is open to discussion. Iím thinking maybe DT Swiss R460 rims, which are black with a silver brake trackócould look good or bad, I canít decide yet. I also canít decide about a modern or square taper crank. Maybe late-90s Ultegra would look good, if I can find it.

In an ideal world, Iíd have a 50/34 in the front and an 11-30 or 11-32 in the back.

I think PDW metal fenders in gray could look nice too.


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IMHO you are over thinking it. you have a great quality frame that fits. Only bike people will have any idea what a rivendell is and those "those that object don't matter and those that matter wont object"

more fun is the build:

Indexed or friction?

how many speeds?

gearing range

matching group

what do you define as looks good? vintage look or ok with current black loom?

this duarace 7700 groups would be a good base FS: VGC Dura Ace 7700 Group - STIs, Brakes, F/R Derailleurs, Crank, BB & Cassette add the barends, get a ultegra or dura ace longer cage derailer and add the 8000 series ultegras cassette 12-34 iirc

good look, wide range but that is me
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