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Old 03-30-19, 10:01 AM
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Replace the decals with the "Resurrectio" ones.... bought from Rivendell of course!


https://www.rivbike.com/products/resurrectio-decals

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Originally Posted by samkl View Post


Quite a strong statement! Whatís the category it puts me in exactly?
Most will assume you're a Grant Peterson fan boy. Not saying its fair, but you are riding a Rivendell. Nice frame BTW. Friend has two Rivs, and he loves 'em.
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Originally Posted by texaspandj View Post

Because its a trek ,nothing against trek ,there's just So Many, Everywhere.
I just posted in the "Continental" thread about people that are unable to appreciate the Tempos, Circuits, Prologue and Voyageurs because in their minds "Schwinn" means 40-50-60 pound toys.

Maybe it's because Trek is "local," and maybe because I don't particularly care about modern trends about bikes- but the concept of 'Trek is the Borg' is kooky to me.

I think it's even more interesting coming from you- you seem to have a great appreciation for what you like- regardless of what anyone thinks. I don't know if you're in any cycling circles- but from what I read, it's an oddity to use old steel in a "modern" crowd. And you have your bikes set up in a decidedly "non-classic" sort of way. You have them set up for what works for you- and I love seeing how you do that- I don't think it would work for me- but it makes me realize I can set stuff up as "non-classic" or "non-traditional" as I want.
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You could paint the frame in the colors of your choice, and add the graphics of your choice (without making a forgery). There is no absolute law saying you have to keep the original graphics on a frame.

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You could always just sell it.

How much you want for it?
That is probably what I'd lean towards. Sell it on and buy what you really want.

No matter what you do, the frame will still be Brand X in your mind.
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
You could paint the frame in the colors of your choice, and add the graphics of your choice (without making a forgery). There is no absolute law saying you have to keep the original graphics on a frame.



That is probably what I'd lean towards. Sell it on and buy what you really want.

No matter what you do, the frame will still be Brand X in your mind.
And Rivendells fetch a nice price...
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Well I havenít even officially paid for it yet. But: I want the frame! Very much so. I donít think thereís a frame that could be better for me, utility wise, without going full custom and spending a ton more money. Thatís why Iím buying it in the first place.

I guess really, Iím trying to point out my discomfort with the idea that buying something made by a certain brand puts you in a certain category. Iím probably not the typical Riv buyer: Iím fairly young (31), like to ride fast, have Strava, etc, and donít have a ton of money to spend on these things. But this frame happens to suit my needs to a T.

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You could paint the frame in the colors of your choice, and add the graphics of your choice (without making a forgery). There is no absolute law saying you have to keep the original graphics on a frame.



That is probably what I'd lean towards. Sell it on and buy what you really want.

No matter what you do, the frame will still be Brand X in your mind.

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The singular pin option to burst the "hipster birkenstock" rivendell-aura balloon; a Wynn's sticker on the top tube.

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Originally Posted by samkl View Post
Well I havenít even officially paid for it yet. But: I want the frame! Very much so. I donít think thereís a frame that could be better for me, utility wise, without going full custom and spending a ton more money. Thatís why Iím buying it in the first place.

I guess really, Iím trying to point out my discomfort with the idea that buying something made by a certain brand puts you in a certain category. Iím probably not the typical Riv buyer: Iím fairly young (31), like to ride fast, have Strava, etc, and donít have a ton of money to spend on these things. But this frame happens to suit my needs to a T.
That is a pretty tall frame. Whew, a tall head tube too. I assume you're > 6'.

If the frame is less than say $500, then it would likely be a good deal. Customize as you see fit. Or trade it for something you like better.

If it is > $500, then there are a lot of fish in the sea.

Any idea of the age of the frame? I'm surprised it doesn't have more rack mounts.
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2001 frame, I’m 6 foot 2, and I’m getting a good deal!

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That is a pretty tall frame. Whew, a tall head tube too. I assume you're > 6'.

If the frame is less than say $500, then it would likely be a good deal. Customize as you see fit. Or trade it for something you like better.

If it is > $500, then there are a lot of fish in the sea.

Any idea of the age of the frame? I'm surprised it doesn't have more rack mounts.

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Old 03-30-19, 01:55 PM
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I used to think riding fast on a road bike was the only way to bike and anything else was a waste of time and to be sneered at, then one day I woke up to the fact that A) I wasn't fast and B) I had a lot more fun on rides when i was wasn't tunnel visioned on my bike computer, as I have matured (gotten old ) my mantra for bikes is simply Does it put a smile on your face when you ride it? If so then all that other stuff doesn't matter. YMMV.

Full disclosure I once visited Riv on a business trip to the bay area and it was awesome, they treated me like a friend, I oogled gorgeous steel frames and if i could afford one then I would own a riv frame because I definitely came back from my test rides with a big goofy grin on my face
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Just want to say as an old hippie, as wonderful as rivs are they are not hippie bikes. Hippies ride bikes from the co-op. Dont ask me how I know.
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Just want to say as an old hippie, as wonderful as rivs are they are not hippie bikes. Hippies ride bikes from the co-op. Dont ask me how I know.
62 yo hippie.
For real. While reading the OP, the first thought that popped into my head was "just rattle can it flat black if you don't want anybody to recognize what kind of bike it is." The only Rivs I've ever seen in person were in a shop now out of business and they were all beautifully made and built up. I don't think when Grant P. says "Just ride" he means "Just ride my bikes set up the way I say." OP, build it up as you see fit and make it your own. I doubt you will regret it.
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Lemme see now.

You just want to ride.

You appreciate a quality well made bike with no BS.

Don't care about following trends or what others think.

Apparently this is news to you, but you are the target audience. All that other stylistic stuff with twine and hatchets is just incidental stuff that GP happens to like. I have no doubt at all that the Rivendell peop's would be very happy that you took one of their frames and set it up just the way you wanted.

I think Riv's recent emphasis towards more fire road friendly bikes is the result of increasingly crowded roads and increasingly rude and distracted drivers, not any big philosophical thing.

Funny thread anyway. I guess it's no surprise it's at 3 pages already.

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[left]I recently found a frame that fits what I need pretty perfectly: lightweight tubing, outstanding quality and craftsmanship, and, I hope, ideal for long brevets. It should fit me perfectly. The seller offered a fair price and I agreed to buy it.
I'm not convinced you need to ride steel bikes for randonneuring.

Or, if you wish, there are some vintage carbon frames with classic lines.

But, if you do wish to ride ride a steel randonneur bike, I'm not quite sure why you are so against a "classic".

But, there are many others that you could choose from.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TORELLI-FRA...M/163359027599



Of course your Rivendale has a little longer stays. Is that all?

I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable with a friend "helping you out", then going ahead and flipping the frame. But, you could likely trade the Rivendale for quite a number of nice vintage frames.
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Hm. I think you're filling in parts of the story rather, er, imaginatively.

Who said I'm against a classic? I love vintage bikes. That's why I'm on this forum in the first place! In fact I tried to find a vintage bike for this purpose, but the Riv is by far the best thing I found.

The reason I'm getting this is because my 1990 Miyata 1000LT just fits too small for very long rides. I do like steel bikes, because I think they're comfortable, and I like the idea that I don't have to baby it, that it's easy to work on, repaint, etc.

But do I need a steel bike? No, and in fact, I plan to ride my 1987 Cannondale SR400 on the first brevet or two until I get the Riv built up.

I suppose one consequence of this thread is that it's convinced me: who cares about the brand and how other people interpret it? It should be a wonderfully made frame. I'm buying it for me, I can use it however I want, and I'll never have to pick up an artisanal hatchet in my life if I don't want to. (I don't want to.)

Re: from the description of the frame below: "Head tube shows there was an impact, has been pulled out [?], may need more." I'd really prefer something with fender mounts, too.

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I'm not convinced you need to ride steel bikes for randonneuring.

Or, there are some vintage carbon frames with classic lines.

But, if you do wish to ride ride a steel randonneur bike, I'm not quite sure why you are so against a "classic".

But, there are many others that you could choose from.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/TORELLI-FRA...M/163359027599



Of course your Rivendale has a little longer stays. Is that all?

I'm not sure I'd feel comfortable with a friend "helping you out", then going ahead and flipping the frame. But, you could likely trade the Rivendale for quite a number of nice vintage frames.
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Lemme see now.

You just want to ride.

You appreciate a quality well made bike with no BS.

Don't care about following trends are what others think.

Apparently this is news to you, but you are the target audience. All that other stylistic stuff with twine and hatchets is just incidental stuff that GP happens to like. I have no doubt at all that the Rivendell peop's would be very happy that you took one of their frames and set it up just the way you wanted.

I think Riv's recent emphasis towards more fire road friendly bikes is the result of increasingly crowded roads and increasingly rude and distracted drivers, not any big philosophical thing.

Funny thread anyway. I guess it's no surprise it's at 3 pages already.
I guess you could say I should stop thinking about it and, achem, "Just Ride."
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Not sure where your perception of a typical Riv build comes from, maybe from some of the wackier offerings in the last couple of years? I own a Riv Romulus, and it came stock with 9-speed indexed bar-end shifters, Sugino triple, 32 mm tires. No twine or double top tubes or upright bars and baskets (not that there’s anything wrong with those). I’ve ridden it on multiple brevets, as long as 360k, as it’s been my most comfortable bike. I’m likely to sell it this year, as I acquired a new steel frame last year that’s as nice a ride but reasonably lighter (but no fancy lugs).
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I recently found a frame that fits what I need pretty perfectly: lightweight tubing, outstanding quality and craftsmanship, and, I hope, ideal for long brevets. It should fit me perfectly. The seller offered a fair price and I agreed to buy it.

My only issue with it: itís a Rivendell.

I know, itís an iconic brand whose bikes have a great reputation. The frame itself is gorgeous, with custom lugs etc. But Iím just not all that into their brand. Seems very much a statement to own a Rivendell, and I donít care about hatchets or pine tar soap or whether Grant thinks I should do squats. I just want to ride my bike, and I want my bike to be a bikeónot a symbol of my adherence to some vision of the world or cycling industry.

So my goal is to build up my Riv frame so that it looks good, but not much like a Rivendellói.e. no twine, no handlebars a foot above the saddle. Itíll be tough, because Iíll be putting on a brooks and bar end shifters.

Build ideas, suggestions, and visual inspiration appreciatedóas are people who think Iím being silly and want to argue.

Edit: please donít construe this as anti-Rivendell! I wanna stress that I think this is an awesome frame and never would I be able to ride something this nice if not for this opportunity.
You bought a great frame! Granted (No Pun intended...) I am bias because I am the sellerI If it makes you any more comfortable, this frame was made when Riv was focused on keeping steel frames in a market place that did not want them anymore. It was built buy Joe Starck and painted by Joe Bell, two very well regarded craftsman in their respective fields. It was a custom frame when it was ordered, not a production model hence the very light weight tubing that was used to build it. Its not meant to carry heavy loads, ride on camping trips or haul saddle bags full of pine tar soap around...it is a true road bike built duing a time at the when it was anachronistic because it was steel & could fit 32mm tires. This is one the lightest frames for its size that I have had and as folks here can attest, I have had a bunch! If it was 2cm smaller I would never sell it.

This is my Riv that I ride for most everything:



No twine, no racks and I did think about weight when I built it. All in (saddles/pedals/ bottle cages/lights. dyno hub and fenders) it weighs 26lbs runs 35 or 38mm tires & fenders with ease and uses 10 speed indexed bar end shifters.. I have ridden it on a RUSA event (200k w/12,000 feet of climbing) and the bike was great and I was comfortable.

Make it whatever works best for you, which is what RIv is in large part about. Their current line up is an attempt (IMHO) to differentiate themselves in the market place. Some people dig it and some don't. Such is life. Given the state of the bicycle industry today, I don't think they will be around much longer. They struggle to continue and I feel even if you don't like their stuff, them possibly not being around will be sad. Its all real people who work their and having been "downsized" in my life due to changing markets, I have a lot of empathy.

Now, I have to get to Home Depot to get some pipe insulation for a bike frame I gotta ship......

Thanks and I think you are going to love it.
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Haha, glad to see you on here. Yes, I’m very excited about it, and this whole silly thread has made me even more excited about it.

Very nice build, btw! Love the matching fenders.

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You bought a great frame! Granted (No Pun intended...) I am bias because I am the sellerI If it makes you any more comfortable, this frame was made when Riv was focused on keeping steel frames in a market place that did not want them anymore. It was built buy Joe Starck and painted by Joe Bell, two very well regarded craftsman in their respective fields. It was a custom frame when it was ordered, not a production model hence the very light weight tubing that was used to build it. Its not meant to carry heavy loads, ride on camping trips or haul saddle bags full of pine tar soap around...it is a true road bike built duing a time at the when it was anachronistic because it was steel & could fit 32mm tires. This is one the lightest frames for its size that I have had and as folks here can attest, I have had a bunch! If it was 2cm smaller I would never sell it.

This is my Riv that I ride for most everything:



No twine, no racks and I did think about weight when I built it. All in (saddles/pedals/ bottle cages/lights. dyno hub and fenders) it weighs 26lbs runs 35 or 38mm tires & fenders with ease and uses 10 speed indexed bar end shifters.. I have ridden it on a RUSA event (200k w/12,000 feet of climbing) and the bike was great and I was comfortable.

Make it whatever works best for you, which is what RIv is in large part about. Their current line up is an attempt (IMHO) to differentiate themselves in the market place. Some people dig it and some don't. Such is life. Given the state of the bicycle industry today, I don't think they will be around much longer. They struggle to continue and I feel even if you don't like their stuff, them possibly not being around will be sad. Its all real people who work their and having been "downsized" in my life due to changing markets, I have a lot of empathy.

Now, I have to get to Home Depot to get some pipe insulation for a bike frame I gotta ship......

Thanks and I think you are going to love it.

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Yeah, buy the bike and build it the way you want. Spray bomb it flat black or fluorescent green if you feel guilty about it being a Rivvy.

Skip the twine, don't buy a hatchet anywhere besides your local TrueValue Hardware store, and only use pine tar soap if play professional baseball. And for god's sake, don't even think of setting your self up with a black and white film darkroom. You ain't got time for that twee BS.
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Rivs are OK and nice.
Grant Petersen is a hoot and fine with me.

You don't see a ton of them for sale, used, which means something, I guess.

Sure, I stereotype the owners, and they me.
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I see you are in Chicago. Hope to see you at the GLR season opener in Evansnton on April 20th. I'll be riding a Sam Hillborne, and I'm really nice and unpretentious. Seriously, I've met half-a-dozen or so people riding Rivendells on brevets, and they've all been super nice. They tend to be in the slow-and-steady group which is usually full of super nice people who aren't very judgy about equipment. Even up at the front, I have found that the randonneuring crowd tends to be more interested in comparing different equipment choices than judgmental about what people ride. I don't do local group rides, so I have no idea about that.

It's your bike so you can build it however you like, but I think it would look terrible with a bunch of modern black parts hanging from that sweet steel frame. I'd put as much shiny silver stuff on there as I could find. I think this campy triple would be just about perfect on that bike with some wheels like these old campy/mavic open pros. I don't really like compact cranks for randonneuring, but plenty of people use them. 46/30 is generally a much better choice if you really want a double for some reason. I definitely wouldn't put the Shimano HT cranks on that frame. I have some on a modern steel frame, and I think they look absolutely terrible and have thought about changing them many times, but they still work fine so there they are.

If you want bar-ends, it's tough to beat the Sugino 9 speed triple with XT derailleurs for reliability and function, but I'd get the riv silver shifters instead of the Shimano's. I have the Shimanos on 2 bikes and like the ratcheting silvers better. Indexing isn't necessary on a 9 speed cassette IMO. I do use the indexing on my bike with 10 speed bar-ends.

Dynamo lighting is really nice to have on long brevets, so if you want that, you'll have to build up a set of wheels. I have both an SP and a Son hubs on different bikes. The Son looks a little prettier and has been around longer so you can be more confident that it will last a long time, but they both work. I like the VO touring rear hub, or an old campy hub on the back. Lot's of rim choices. H plus Son TB-14 is probably my favorite if money is no object, Sun CR18 if you're on a budget. I like the Edelux ii headlight. Assuming you are getting fenders, I like the B&M fender mounted secula plus. I also like honjo fenders, but the PDW fenders are nice too. For luggage on that bike, I'd go with a Carridice Pendle saddle bag with one of the Carridice Bagman racks.

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