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Old 03-31-19, 03:14 PM
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When I first joined bike forums, it seems to me people used to reply "HTFU" a lot. "Forks bent" and "that's an excellent value" were also big.

Not having seen the fork, and not knowing the price, I'm going with HTFU this time.
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Old 03-31-19, 03:29 PM
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I ride a couple Rivendells and think Grant would not care what you do. Have fun with the bike.

If if you decide you want something sportier, I have a Waterford, Della Santa, RRB, Mooney, or Marinoni I might trade for that if it fit me.

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Yep, I'll be there. Looking forward to meeting you and the other GLRs, especially the nice and unpretentious ones!

Thanks for the equipment suggestions--especially about the dynamos and rims. I'm on a budget so if I go with a dynamo it'll be an SP. I think I'll be sticking with my 9-speed shimano bar-ends and hubs for the same reason.

I agree about leaving off the Darth-Vader-looking components, but I was thinking black or anodized gray rims with silver spokes/hubs and components could make everything pop a little. Maybe the DT Swiss R460s, or the gray H Plus Son TB14s.

In any case, this bike won't be done in time for the season opener, so you'll see me on my old repainted Cannondale.

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I see you are in Chicago. Hope to see you at the GLR season opener in Evansnton on April 20th. I'll be riding a Sam Hillborne, and I'm really nice and unpretentious. Seriously, I've met half-a-dozen or so people riding Rivendells on brevets, and they've all been super nice. They tend to be in the slow-and-steady group which is usually full of super nice people who aren't very judgy about equipment. Even up at the front, I have found that the randonneuring crowd tends to be more interested in comparing different equipment choices than judgmental about what people ride. I don't do local group rides, so I have no idea about that.

It's your bike so you can build it however you like, but I think it would look terrible with a bunch of modern black parts hanging from that sweet steel frame. I'd put as much shiny silver stuff on there as I could find. I think this campy triple would be just about perfect on that bike with some wheels like these old campy/mavic open pros. I don't really like compact cranks for randonneuring, but plenty of people use them. 46/30 is generally a much better choice if you really want a double for some reason. I definitely wouldn't put the Shimano HT cranks on that frame. I have some on a modern steel frame, and I think they look absolutely terrible and have thought about changing them many times, but they still work fine so there they are.

If you want bar-ends, it's tough to beat the Sugino 9 speed triple with XT derailleurs for reliability and function, but I'd get the riv silver shifters instead of the Shimano's. I have the Shimanos on 2 bikes and like the ratcheting silvers better. Indexing isn't necessary on a 9 speed cassette IMO. I do use the indexing on my bike with 10 speed bar-ends.

Dynamo lighting is really nice to have on long brevets, so if you want that, you'll have to build up a set of wheels. I have both an SP and a Son hubs on different bikes. The Son looks a little prettier and has been around longer so you can be more confident that it will last a long time, but they both work. I like the VO touring rear hub, or an old campy hub on the back. Lot's of rim choices. H plus Son TB-14 is probably my favorite if money is no object, Sun CR18 if you're on a budget. I like the Edelux ii headlight. Assuming you are getting fenders, I like the B&M fender mounted secula plus. I also like honjo fenders, but the PDW fenders are nice too. For luggage on that bike, I'd go with a Carridice Pendle saddle bag with one of the Carridice Bagman racks.
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Originally Posted by dimini View Post
This forumís audience is among the 5% in the world who might actually recognize or care about the differences between a retro Rivendell frame or vintage Albert Eisentraut, Strawberry, Keith Lippy or Glenn Erickson frames.


You must mean 5% of the 10% of the 3% of Americans over 18 who ride bikes.
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I'm sure most cyclists have no idea what a Rivendell is. A few weeks ago I was out for a ride on my Sam Hillborne with the silly double top tube and rode for a little while with three middle-aged guys on nice new race bikes. They admired my bike in the same way a guy driving a Tesla would admire an old GTO convertible. None of them had ever heard of Rivendell.
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Old 04-01-19, 07:05 AM
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
...Maybe it was just that they were from Chapel Hill or Duke "in" crowd (and that, unfortunately, says quite a lot).
My oldest daughter, a high school valedictorian, was accepted to Duke. After walking the campus and meeting with professors and smaller groups of students, she told us, "we can cross this one off of the list. I don't like anyone I've met here." Loved the school, hated the people.
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Old 04-01-19, 08:49 AM
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I had this Rivendell -

- for a dozen years, Joe Starck-built road custom ordered in April 2000, right at the cusp where Rivendell simultaneously started having frame built by match, then match folded so the wait time quadrupled, and also right when they really began to be all custom vs. road, LongLow, etc. It was a lovely bike and I rode it a lot, but in the end I realized that for me, I just prefer bikes with standard tubing diameters, not the oversized stuff that Rivendell used. I will note that I never found any bike that felt more stable on long fast descents, and it handled well when I was tired.

I wouldn't worry about how people might pigeonhole you for riding it; I also would strongly recommend leaving the stock paint and decals alone because (A) they're beautiful and (B) if you decide you DON'T like the ride it will be much easier to resell later. I know that when I sold mine I got 60-odd percent of the original purchase price of the frameset.

Build it up as you like, though I share the preference for shiny stuff just because that's how my bike aesthetics were shaped.

Here are more pix of this bike through the years I had it.
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Old 04-01-19, 09:15 AM
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Just go to the hardware store and get a can of flat black Krylon. That'll take care of it. :-)
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Old 04-01-19, 12:11 PM
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Ditto

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Samkl-

Firstly, thanks for this thread. Iíve enjoyed the perspectives of those who have responded. I may be a newbie to this forum, but Iím a 58yr old cooter who still owns his first ďproĒ road bike, purchased in 1977 while working in my hometown bike shop during high-school youth. Agreed, the Rivendell you purchased looks great. Not familiar with the brand, I googled, then spent 10 minutes looking at their website. Hell... I think you are missing the point and shouldnít be repulsed, miffed or whatever it is that drives you crazy about the brand. They are a young company with young people who are seemingly successful at keeping the heritage of craftsman-built steel frames alive. In a time of blue-tooth shifting Taiwanese rolling brand billboard bikes, I find Rivendell refreshing. Would I ride a bike with drop bars and a super high-ride stem? No, but thatís ok. You appear to be young enough to give a damn about a companyís mission statements, or marketing maneuvers. Advise: Ignore that and build the bikeósee if the relaxed geometry fits your needs and enjoy it. If you havenít, learn to embrace and enjoy the stark differences between old school and current technologies. This forumís audience is among the 5% in the world who might actually recognize or care about the differences between a retro Rivendell frame or vintage Albert Eisentraut, Strawberry, Keith Lippy or Glenn Erickson frames. Itís all good!
^^^ What he said!

Seriously, build the piece of metal the way you want it. Its not like doing so will automatically enroll you into their lifestyle mentality. Just get it done and ride it.

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Old 04-01-19, 12:35 PM
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What brands do you care for?
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It's just my opinion -

I don't like that way the head tube pokes up so far above the top tube. To me, it looks goofy, like a mistake or it was unfinished or not well thought out before construction began.

I also don't like the large seat post binding lugs. They are overly large for the function they need to perform.

I also don't care for the overly ornate lugs. They are too 'frilly'.

YMMV
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Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
My oldest daughter, a high school valedictorian, was accepted to Duke. After walking the campus and meeting with professors and smaller groups of students, she told us, "we can cross this one off of the list. I don't like anyone I've met here." Loved the school, hated the people.
The place has a strange kind of intelligence. And lots of unlocked bikes.

I listened to a sob story from a Duke student about an Ironman frame, 60cm that I basically got free after I parted out everything else. No problem, said I, I'll meet you at a coffeeshop on 9th St on Saturday morning. He said he worked there busing tables, so I felt it was worth the 90-mile drive.

I got there, parked, waited. I gave him the frame, and he hung it around his shoulder, got back on his Ducati 900, and rode off.
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Beautiful frame, love to have that in my size. I’d just strip, repaint or powder coat, and build it up the way you want. You’d be hard pressed to find anyone, even many of us in CV land, who would even know what it was, unless you told them. There is just not that many out there. Bikes are easy, lot harder to do with say a Volvo or Subydo, for instance.
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Originally Posted by samkl View Post
I recently found a frame that fits what I need pretty perfectly: lightweight tubing, outstanding quality and craftsmanship, and, I hope, ideal for long brevets. It should fit me perfectly. The seller offered a fair price and I agreed to buy it.

My only issue with it: itís a Rivendell.

I know, itís an iconic brand whose bikes have a great reputation. The frame itself is gorgeous, with custom lugs etc. But Iím just not all that into their brand. Seems very much a statement to own a Rivendell, and I donít care about hatchets or pine tar soap or whether Grant thinks I should do squats. I just want to ride my bike, and I want my bike to be a bikeónot a symbol of my adherence to some vision of the world or cycling industry.
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Edit: please donít construe this as anti-Rivendell! I wanna stress that I think this is an awesome frame and never would I be able to ride something this nice if not for this opportunity.
Oh, the irony. Have you ever read this book, written by the founder of Rivendell?
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Originally Posted by tkamd73 View Post
Beautiful frame, love to have that in my size. Iíd just strip, repaint or powder coat, and build it up the way you want. Youíd be hard pressed to find anyone, even many of us in CV land, who would even know what it was, unless you told them. There is just not that many out there. Bikes are easy, lot harder to do with say a Volvo or Subydo, for instance.
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that is a joe bell paint job.. imho...pretty crazy to mess with that
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Oh, the irony. Have you ever read this book, written by the founder of Rivendell?
Yes, see above! Thatís how I know Grant wants me to do squats in the first place.
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that is a joe bell paint job.. imho...pretty crazy to mess with that
Yeah, I donít plan to. I think a build of understated parts with nothing too matchy is probably the best way to go.
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Yes, see above! Thatís how I know Grant wants me to do squats in the first place.
He really wants you to do kettlebell workouts :-)

I guess, as mentioned earlier, you really need to use no handlebar tape, just 5 layers of electrical tape on the bars. That and no more than 36 spokes combined for the front an rear wheel. Actually, I think a set of classic Spinergy wheels would cover all the mojo.
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Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
that is a joe bell paint job.. imho...pretty crazy to mess with that
Amen, we spend a lot of time hemming and hawing about paint all the time, leave it, strip it, clear it, powder coat it, too spendy, too thick, too thin, yada, yada.

A Joe Bell painted Riven freaken dell, embrace the suck, get on board and "ride Sally, ride".
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Amen, we spend a lot of time hemming and hawing about paint all the time, leave it, strip it, clear it, powder coat it, too spendy, too thick, too thin, yada, yada.

A Joe Bell painted Riven freaken dell, embrace the suck, get on board and "ride Sally, ride".
Yeah, you don't strip a Joe Bell paint job. You just don't.

If you must, a couple well placed Huffy stickers will fix the Rivendell issue..
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Originally Posted by rhm View Post
When I first joined bike forums, it seems to me people used to reply "HTFU" a lot. "Forks bent" and "that's an excellent value" were also big.

Not having seen the fork, and not knowing the price, I'm going with HTFU this time.
Best answer! So funny 😆
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This whole thread has April Fools written all over it, even though it jumped the date by a couple days. Geez, just ride the damn bike, or trade it to somebody who would appreciate it. Image ain't everything. Ride what you love and love what you ride. Love the bike, don't love the brand? What are we, twelve?🙄
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Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
that is a joe bell paint job.. imho...pretty crazy to mess with that
If you donít like it, it doesnít matter who painted it. Or, you could send it back to him for a redo.
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