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Old 04-02-19, 09:28 AM
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I really like that build. Very practical looking. Iím guessing we have roughly similar frames.

Do you remember what kind of handlebar that is? Looks comfy. And what size tires are those, 28s?

Originally Posted by rustystrings61 View Post
I had this Rivendell for a dozen years, Joe Starck-built road custom ordered in April 2000, right at the cusp where Rivendell simultaneously started having frame built by match, then match folded so the wait time quadrupled, and also right when they really began to be all custom vs. road, LongLow, etc. It was a lovely bike and I rode it a lot, but in the end I realized that for me, I just prefer bikes with standard tubing diameters, not the oversized stuff that Rivendell used. I will note that I never found any bike that felt more stable on long fast descents, and it handled well when I was tired.

I wouldn't worry about how people might pigeonhole you for riding it; I also would strongly recommend leaving the stock paint and decals alone because (A) they're beautiful and (B) if you decide you DON'T like the ride it will be much easier to resell later. I know that when I sold mine I got 60-odd percent of the original purchase price of the frameset.

Build it up as you like, though I share the preference for shiny stuff just because that's how my bike aesthetics were shaped.

Here are more pix of this bike through the years I had it.
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Originally Posted by tkamd73 View Post


If you donít like it, it doesnít matter who painted it. Or, you could send it back to him for a redo.
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Base price for Joe Bell repaint is $750
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Old 04-02-19, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by samkl View Post
I really like that build. Very practical looking. Iím guessing we have roughly similar frames.

Do you remember what kind of handlebar that is? Looks comfy. And what size tires are those, 28s?


The handlebars are Nitto Model 176, what Rivendell used to call the Dream Bar before they fell in love with the model 177 Noodle bar. This bend remains my favorite drop bar shape. I rode 44 cm then but really prefer 42s, and my last pair of those (and the Nitto lugged stem) have been on my Mercian Vincitore fixed-gear for the last several years. The tires are Continental Sport 1000s that are nominally 28 but are closer to 25-26 mm; I vastly prefer Paselas now, as they ride cushier and are a lot less hassle on Mavic MA-2 rims.

It was a practical and comfy bike, and I did a cross-state ride on it one year and a century or two and lots of metrics and had my life gone as I planned (ha!) I probably would have done some brevets with it. I did a lot of club rides on it, including taking folks out to back of nowhere chip seal with the occasional jaunt along dirt roads and it did quite nicely.
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Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
Base price for Joe Bell repaint is $750
And your point is? You get what you pay for, pretty much the price point for a quality paint job, thatís about what my last redone frame cost. Still way cheaper then Waterford. Nothing against PC, and probably why itís become so popular.
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I happened to find "Just Ride" to be fun and funny.
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I liked "just ride" as well.
i never go on organized rides. Well 2 falls ago i did on the bob jackson world tourist and got no end of compliments on my vintage bike. It was about 4 months old. I am sure that is how most will see a riv.
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Old 04-02-19, 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 52telecaster View Post
I liked "just ride" as well.
i never go on organized rides. Well 2 falls ago i did on the bob jackson world tourist and got no end of compliments on my vintage bike. It was about 4 months old. I am sure that is how most will see a riv.
I go on "dis-organized" rides. Even our club rides are like herding cats. Still fun to at least start out together. 😁
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Old 04-07-19, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by kingston View Post
I'm sure most cyclists have no idea what a Rivendell is. A few weeks ago I was out for a ride on my Sam Hillborne with the silly double top tube and rode for a little while with three middle-aged guys on nice new race bikes. They admired my bike in the same way a guy driving a Tesla would admire an old GTO convertible. None of them had ever heard of Rivendell.
Everyone, not just cyclists, knows that Rivendell was the home of Elrond, and the "last homely house" east of the sea? Right?

I know the hobbits can be a bit pretentious, but that's no reason to shun them.
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Bondo the lugs so they look Aztec like a U-08 rattle can paint and ride and be happy.
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Old 04-07-19, 08:44 PM
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Well, an update. I received the frame and it instantly made me feel like an idiot for starting this thread. My god, the thing is gorgeous. Who cares about the Riv-associated lifestyle brand. If Grant can make bikes this beautiful and well crafted, he can talk about hatchets all he wants.

But the story doesnít have a happily ever after ending, unfortunately. The frame has crash damageósmall downtube rippleóthat the seller didnít know about (heís the second owner), and heís kindly agreed to take it back. It was not a little devastating, because the thing is so freaking nice. Now I only hope another Riv falls into my lap one day...
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Originally Posted by samkl View Post
Well, an update. I received the frame and it instantly made me feel like an idiot for starting this thread. My god, the thing is gorgeous. Who cares about the Riv-associated lifestyle brand. If Grant can make bikes this beautiful and well crafted, he can talk about hatchets all he wants.

But the story doesnít have a happily ever after ending, unfortunately. The frame has crash damageósmall downtube rippleóthat the seller didnít know about (heís the second owner), and heís kindly agreed to take it back. It was not a little devastating, because the thing is so freaking nice. Now I only hope another Riv falls into my lap one day...
I think the point for me is that Grant does not make anything. Never has. He is a marketer, a salesman and a very good one. Joe Starck is good frame builder and Joe Bell is the best painter on the planet. I would want to buy a frame from the person who made it not from a story teller.
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Originally Posted by samkl View Post
But the story doesnít have a happily ever after ending, unfortunately. The frame has crash damageósmall downtube rippleóthat the seller didnít know about (heís the second owner), and heís kindly agreed to take it back. It was not a little devastating, because the thing is so freaking nice. Now I only hope another Riv falls into my lap one day...
An excuse to replace the downtube and repaint it without Rivendell lettering

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Old 04-08-19, 06:41 AM
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...discomfort with the idea that buying something made by a certain brand puts you in a certain category...
Maybe I'll buy a new BMW and drive it within the speed limit, use my turn signals every time, and yield to all other cars - just to mess with that brand perception.
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Old 04-08-19, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike_Kelly View Post
I think the point for me is that Grant does not make anything. Never has. He is a marketer, a salesman and a very good one. Joe Starck is good frame builder and Joe Bell is the best painter on the planet. I would want to buy a frame from the person who made it not from a story teller.
you forgot frame design.

architects may never lay a hand on the buildings they design, but that doesnít mean all they are to be credited with is telling stories about them.
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As a product manager Grant may give the framebuilder a request but the frame is designed by Joe Starck or the other builders over the years. I like Grants philosphy but he is a pimp not a bike builder. I don't want to buy a frame from a promoter vs the guy with the skill that actually built the bike.
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Originally Posted by rhm View Post
When I first joined bike forums, it seems to me people used to reply "HTFU" a lot. "Forks bent" and "that's an excellent value" were also big.

Not having seen the fork, and not knowing the price, I'm going with HTFU this time.
Maybe my imagination has run away to join the Lords and Ladies, but don't you have to ask for consent before you HFTU someone?
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Originally Posted by samkl View Post
Well, an update. I received the frame and it instantly made me feel like an idiot for starting this thread. My god, the thing is gorgeous. Who cares about the Riv-associated lifestyle brand. If Grant can make bikes this beautiful and well crafted, he can talk about hatchets all he wants.

But the story doesnít have a happily ever after ending, unfortunately. The frame has crash damageósmall downtube rippleóthat the seller didnít know about (heís the second owner), and heís kindly agreed to take it back. It was not a little devastating, because the thing is so freaking nice. Now I only hope another Riv falls into my lap one day...
We tried to tell ya.... I would have kept it and worked something out. I have the Park tool for this now and would have taken a shot. Most frames will be fine with a minor kink anyway and if you can stretch it out, all the better.

Do we get a pic of the damage?
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Has Windsor been mentioned yet? Love my Profesional for its fit and road feel, don't give two hoots about the brand.
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I recently found a frame that fits what I need pretty perfectly: lightweight tubing, outstanding quality and craftsmanship, and, I hope, ideal for long brevets. It should fit me perfectly. The seller offered a fair price and I agreed to buy it.

My only issue with it: itís a Rivendell.

I know, itís an iconic brand whose bikes have a great reputation. The frame itself is gorgeous, with custom lugs etc. But Iím just not all that into their brand. Seems very much a statement to own a Rivendell, and I donít care about hatchets or pine tar soap or whether Grant thinks I should do squats. I just want to ride my bike, and I want my bike to be a bikeónot a symbol of my adherence to some vision of the world or cycling industry.
So buy it, build it the way you like, and ride it. It's a bike, not a symbol of a cult.
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Get some Campagnolo Ergopower on that thing!
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Y'know, I went through the same thing when I bought my Surly. I hate their "punk" image and stupid "look at us we don't care" marketing. I hate(d) how expensive they were for a heavy welded frame that couldn't possible compare to a vintage bike. I hated qbp business practices and how common surlys are. I bought it cause it was the cheapest fat tire steel frame i could find and i could beat on it without caring.
It's quite possibly the best drop bar bike I've ever owned. It's like an extension of my body riding it. I don't care anymore. I finally understand it's about the bike, not the brand.
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Maybe I'll buy a new BMW and drive it within the speed limit, use my turn signals every time, and yield to all other cars - just to mess with that brand perception.
Last evening, someone in a brand-new, Sakhir Orange M4 yielded the ROW so I could change lanes. You are already corrupting them.

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I know a guy who bought a damaged Rivendell frame on purpose. He had one of the chainstays replaced. It ended up being worth it, because it's as good as new, and he got an excellent frame. Not saying you should have done that, though.
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