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Old 04-13-19, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by non-fixie View Post
If you'll allow me, I'll muddy the waters a little bit more.


From what I think might be the correct 1984 Batavus US catalog, I got the following pic. It's difficult to read, but I think it says:


"Main frame triangle hand-made of Ishiwata 025 double butted chrome molybdenum steel tubing, rear fork and stays hand-made of Ishiwata 022 high-tensile steel tubing; (...) FRONT FORK: Hand-made of Ishiwata 022 high tensile steel tubing"
FYI, that is a 1983 cataloque page. The components on the Criterium are 1978-1983 Shimano 600EX which were replaced by the re-designed New 600EX for the 1984 model year. There's an 82.57 on the back of the catalogue suggesting it was put out in 1982. On the Cyclocross page it states , "The members of the 1983 Batavus Team, managed by team-manager Piet Hoekstra, will be:....". Everything is pointing to a 1983 catalogue issued in very late 1982.
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Old 04-13-19, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by HPL View Post
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I don't know nor really care much as to what tubing a frame has as long as it fits and feels comfortable for the type of riding you use a specific frame for. That being said I do, for historical and/or sales purposes, like to be able to identify what type of tubing is used for construction.
​​​​​​ I presently ride a Critical for general city riding and training. It has 501 tubing, but I have no idea when Batavus started using it. The bike came with Camp 980 drivetrain, hubs dated 1984. I don't think it's later than 1986, and it could have been a transitional frame made in '84 after the 1984 catalogue was released. If someone has access to 1985-1986 catalogues I'd be curious to see when they changed tubing. I believe Reynolds came out with 501 around 1983-1984 so it would make sense for them to change materials, especially if it was more economically advantageous.
. Personally I love the frame, and I probably have the smallest size (51.5 cm c-c seat tube) keeping it light and stiffer than the bigger guys. I will say, one of the best rides I picked up for under $150, with that much value in the components alone. Great ride with multiple use 28mm tires, but feels way better with 23-25mm. Enjoy your Batavus!

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Reynolds introduced 501 for the 1983 model year, but we know based on the extant catalogue that Batayus wasn't using it that year. I don't have any literature for the 1984 Criterium but it was spec'd with Reynolds 501 and Campagnolo 980 derailleurs in 1985. It employed the same tubing and derailleurs in 1986 but a Thun crankset replaced of the Campagnolo Gran Sport. You said it has "980 drivetrain, hubs dated 1984", so it sounds like you have a 1985 or possibly 1984 model. As suggested by non-fixie , the serial number may allow us to increase our confidence, one way or the other.
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Old 04-14-19, 06:27 AM
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Batavus Criterium 501 tubing

First let me apologize for the "Critical, Criterion, Criteria" misspellings. I'm not used to my words being altered automatically. Criterium, Criterium, Criterium; good I think it's trained now!


Non-fixie, thanks for making me look closer at the catalogue images. I wasn't paying much attention since the conversation was on the Ishiwata tubing.

The "1985" Criterium pictured would be identical to my ride with the exception of the gruppo.

. T-mar thanks for the input. The bike has/had a Thun BB and crankset (Aero Coronado, I believe). Still has the OE BB, but had Camp mirage crankset with longer arms, thus the change there. You spot on with my bike, and I thought the 980 parts were added, cool to know that it wasn't altered much. Brakes when I got it had Dia Compe Aero levers (still on it), and Weinmann 605 calipers (replaced with Suntour Cyclone); not sure if any was OE. I removed the FD, since riding on Florida flatlands I never use a small chainring; gets put on for New England though.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
Reynolds introduced 501 for the 1983 model year, but we know based on the extant catalogue that Batayus wasn't using it that year. I don't have any literature for the 1984 Criterium but it was spec'd with Reynolds 501 and Campagnolo 980 derailleurs in 1985. It employed the same tubing and derailleurs in 1986 but a Thun crankset replaced of the Campagnolo Gran Sport. You said it has "980 drivetrain, hubs dated 1984", so it sounds like you have a 1985 or possibly 1984 model. As suggested by non-fixie , the serial number may allow us to increase our confidence, one way or the other.
I have not had luck with tracking the serial # (most sites just tell you frame locations, or are bike locators/registeries). I generally never even look since my Italian frames don't have any #'s 99% of the time, and they're cryptic at best. Here's City's #: WHE 5430885 A.
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Batavus Criterium 501 tubing

First let me apologize for the "Critical, Criterion, Criteria" misspellings. I'm not used to my words being altered automatically. Criterium, Criterium, Criterium; good I think it's trained now!


Non-fixie, thanks for making me look closer at the catalogue images. I wasn't paying much attention since the conversation was on the Ishiwata tubing.

The "1985" Criterium pictured would be identical to my ride with the exception of the gruppo.

. T-mar thanks for the input. The bike has/had a Thun BB and crankset (Aero Coronado, I believe). Still has the OE BB, but had Camp mirage crankset with longer arms, thus the change there. You spot on with my bike, and I thought the 980 parts were added, cool to know that it wasn't altered much. Brakes when I got it had Dia Compe Aero levers (still on it), and Weinmann 605 calipers (replaced with Suntour Cyclone); not sure if any was OE. I removed the FD, since riding on Florida flatlands I never use a small chainring; gets put on for New England though.
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That looks more like a Danish bicycle registration number than a serial number. If so, the frame was manufactured in 1985 but the format doesn't break it down any further than that, so it could still be a 1986 model manufactured in late 1985. FYI, Weinmann 605 calipers were OEM in both 1985 and 1986.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
That looks more like a Danish bicycle registration number than a serial number. If so, the frame was manufactured in 1985 but the format doesn't break it down any further than that, so it could still be a 1986 model manufactured in late 1985. FYI, Weinmann 605 calipers were OEM in both 1985 and 1986.
I myself was dubious about the serial number. It's located high on the seat tube (left rear side). It does not appear to be professionally etched unless done before painting. It appears stamped and the paint iundisturbed in the letter/number grooves so I'm at a loss there. There absolutely no other frame markings on it anywhere.
I'm not familiar with any Europian postal codes/registration codes. Again, probably why I don't spend time tracking down numbers.
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Denmark has a federally regulated bicycle identification numbering system that was instituted during the second World War. All manufacturers selling in Denmark must comply. Whenever you see a number with a three to four character alpha prefix starting with 'W" and a single character alpha suffix, it is almost invariably the Danish system.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danish_bicycle_VIN-system
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Batavus Criterium 501 tubing



'86 BATAVUS CRITERIUM, REYNOLDS 501, CAMP 980 DRIVETRAIN, GPM DROPOUTS


'86 BATAVUS CRITERIUM, REYNOLDS 501
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