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Old 04-15-19, 08:55 AM
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Old 04-15-19, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly View Post
Does "as far to the right as possible" refer to the furthest right-hand lane of traffic, or just off in the weeds with the broken bottles and crappola?
Actually, it refers to nothing. It doesn't exist. The wording, in pretty-much every state statute, is "as far to the right as practicable". Bicycle advocacy organizations fought VERY hard for the use of this one word in this one phrase. "Practicable" rather than "possible" allows for the discretion of the operator (i.e. YOU) to determine how far to the right you can SAFELY operate. If there's glass in front of you and you need to move to the left to avoid it, going straight is not "practicable".

Common mistake, however, to misread / misquoute the statute. A lot of law enforcement officers don't know the wording, and don't know the difference.

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Seems a decent place to share a fellow I know in Toronto's therapy/charm campaign trick.
I actually observed him do this when I was visiting him and doing a bunch of riding there about 10 years back.

He often rides with an automotive-style fastener that he picked up from the street in his jersey pocket.

If a driver is particularly obnoxious to him, and if he catches up to them a the next light, he will ride up to the window holding the fastener and tap on the window. Then with an air of genuine courtesy, he will show the fastener, and calmly tell the driver that he saw it rolling in the street and that he thought it came from their car. This little ploy is a win on so many levels.
I wonder if this would work anymore. More and more people are leasing their vehicles nowadays. There's no sense of ownership or connection to their vehicles. They drive what's "trending", and turn it in when they're bored with it. They probably figure, if something falls off, it's someone else's problem, or they'll just whip out their phone call someone to make their "problem" go away.
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Old 04-15-19, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by madpogue View Post
I wonder if this would work anymore. More and more people are leasing their vehicles nowadays. There's no sense of ownership or connection to their vehicles. They drive what's "trending", and turn it in when they're bored with it. They probably figure, if something falls off, it's someone else's problem, or they'll just whip out their phone call someone to make their "problem" go away.
It may not cause the driver worry, but it may still serve to change attitudes towards cyclists (even though based on pure theater).
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Old 04-15-19, 01:48 PM
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I have friends who live and ride in France, Spain and Italy. Sorry to report that it is not much better either.
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​​​​​​Lately the Spanish laws have hardened to favor the cyclists, however there are accidents and sometimes I've seen cyclists abusing their priority even at the cost of their safety.
Anyway I feel safer riding now than twenty years ago.
Said as a cyclist and as a cop.
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Old 04-15-19, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by MarcoBianchi View Post
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​​​​​​Lately the Spanish laws have hardened to favor the cyclists, however there are accidents and sometimes I've seen cyclists abusing their priority even at the cost of their safety.
Anyway I feel safer riding now than twenty years ago.
Said as a cyclist and as a cop.
Me alegro que las leyes protejen mas ahora.

Yo no me siento muy seguro aqui, y eso lo digo com ciclista y fiscal.
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Old 04-15-19, 05:11 PM
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I become increasingly difficult to upset toward the end of my rides, it's the whole reason why I do it, as it seems there is never a shortage of mellow-harshing individuals in my immediate vicinity.
I'm taking that as doctor's orders that I should ride more. My dose must not be high enough yet.
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Old 04-15-19, 05:14 PM
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I get honked at while riding maybe 3X year. I just ignore it. I get honked at while driving about as often.
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Old 04-16-19, 10:29 AM
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1-I'm not sure car drivers realize that the debris on the road prevents us from riding as far to the R as they think we can. That's our fault, as only we know it, and we've not educated the driving public properly.

2-Considering honking a sign of recognizing us is not a bad idea. A friendly wave helps to mitigate that.

3-Many drivers do not think cyclists are entitled to the road, and they want to drive that point home, I guess, pun intended. Again, it's a failure in education, as there's not a lot in the drivers' manual in most states about bicyclists (that gets retained, anyway).

4-The move from the gas pedal to the brake pedal appears to be a non-evolutionary trait.

5-When I rode in NC, we used to keep track of the honkers. The best was an elderly gray-haired lady in an older Town Car, who not only honked, she also gave us the finger. One of the riders said "yeah, I hate getting old, too," and we laughed.

6-The danger is those that don't honk, just hit you. When 5 people i know were mowed down in NC, the lady said "Well, there was a bus coming, and I had no where to go." It never occurred to her to a-get off the phone with her daughter and b-use the brake pedal. She also had no insurance, so go figure.

7-Giving the finger back does not always bode well. We did it once on a rural country road and then found ourselves at a country store, deserted cross-roads, facing the same BillyBobs who honked at us and they were definitely ready to fight the spandex fairies they thought we were. When our Canadian friend then insulted the Confederacy, it was on. A cleated shoe is no platform for self-defense, but it will open up a cheekbone when swung from a stable barefoot stance. All was well, a few short months later, when one of us married into their family, sort of, and the part of the reception that is carried out over Budweisers in the parking lot really cleared the air.

8-I come across the public daily, and I used to ask the locals on the well-traveled local bike routes what they thought, and it was almost universally the perceived arrogance of groups of slow-moving cyclists that set them off; almost never the lone rider. Very little can be done to ease that tension: the cyclists feel taking the lane at 18mph is necessary for safety, and motorists rarely realize the delay is not much more than a minute or two. Human nature is a problem.

One cyclist running a stop sign in front of a frustrated driver sets us all back quite a bit.

PS: I stopped wearing my "Share the Road" jersey, even though it matched the local signs. It seemed to create resentment. Now, my Stars and Stripes and USMC jerseys always get what I guarantee is a friendly honk. Except from squids.
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I don't think I can do much to educated the driving public by anything other than just riding. Well, there are a few things, but other things I can't control.
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Old 04-16-19, 11:49 AM
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Thats what she said.
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Old 04-16-19, 01:02 PM
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When I want to get mad at motorists I remember that there is plenty of bad behavior from Pedestrians and cyclists too and that (sometimes) helps and frankly I find motorists more predictable than MUP users, although these days I am so slow it doesn't matter much.
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