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Will Ultegra brake hoods work on Dura Ace 7402 brake levers?

Old 04-20-19, 08:33 AM
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Will Ultegra brake hoods work on Dura Ace 7402 brake levers?



Here is a Dura Ace 7402 brake hood, that unfortunately was sold before I could buy the pair. I have identical brake hoods that are worn out and in need of replacement. While they do come up, usually in used condition, it is a matter of waiting a long time to find them, if /when they are offered for sale.

However here is a similar looking Shimano Ultegra brake hood which is readily available, has any one used this brake hood to replace the Dura Ace 7402 shown above? Will it work? Are their other brake hoods that work, such as the Shimano 600 brake hoods?



Thanks for your advice, also for any leads on where a set of Dura Ace 7402 brake hoods can be found.

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My experience says no.
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Seconded. I don't have any with me, but my experience in looking and handling 6209-sub-model 600 levers (last year or so of the 6200 generation that ended in 1987) and 1051-sub-model 105 levers (first years of the 1050 generation that began in 1987) is that the hoods of those will be a lot closer in look and fit to a 7402 lever. Those several years of overlap saw the first SLR branded levers (and SLR look-a-likes) and all of them were pretty consistent in terms of the lever blade trim ring (plated for DA & 600, dark grey plastic for 105) and slender lever body. They seem to be extremely close in shape. If anyone has experience using either of these lever hoods, that would be a great addition.

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1051 brake levers:


6209 brake levers:

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Old 04-20-19, 11:55 AM
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Riddleofsteel I think you are right.

I looked at my Centurion Ironman Expert brakes and brake hoods and in comparing them to the Dura Ace 7402 brake levers and hoods the look very similar. Some white hoods came up for sale (the Centurion has white hoods so having a spare pair in this rare color was a must) so I ordered them and will see how they look to fit on the Dura Ace after they come in.

I will post what I find out.

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I no longer recall the p/n of these hoods but they look like they might be same ones that OP asked about. I had to do some sculpting of the internal feature of the hoods to improve the fit. Although I can tug on the hoods and get them to look like they fit well, the position shown in the pic is naturally assumed after riding. The hoods do feel a little squirmy since there are no keying features to locate hood to lever body.

I hope nobody is offended by the condition of the lever. This bike was used as intended.

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Thanks RobbieTunes will do, these will be going on the Panasonic Team America Custom I posted on recently. The current hoods are not yet at the Wicked Witch of the West "I'm melting, I'm melting" stage could use retirement and refreshing.
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Sadly, nothing but 7402 hoods will properly fit 7402 lever bodies. Same story with 7401, 1050/51, 6209 and 6400 lever bodies and hoods- all of them are unique to each model. 6403 will interchange with BL-R600 but only because they both use 6403 lever bodies.

7400 non-aero levers work well with Record style Rustines hoods, tho.
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Originally Posted by rccardr View Post
Sadly, nothing but 7402 hoods will properly fit 7402 lever bodies. Same story with 7401, 1050/51, 6209 and 6400 lever bodies and hoods- all of them are unique to each model. 6403 will interchange with BL-R600 but only because they both use 6403 lever bodies.

7400 non-aero levers work well with Record style Rustines hoods, tho.
Sadly, for exact fit, this is the story for many of Shimano's hoods in this late-'80s to early '90s period, though they finally streamlined things a bit with the BL-R400 and R600 levers in that the body and hoods are Shimano 600 (6403, specifically) copies--same metal mold!). Though generally, the Super SLR era of brake levers up and down the range were much more similar than they were different from each other.

I was just at one of the LBS's I volunteer at and had the chance to compare 1051 and 6209 levers with 7402 levers, and they are as near as makes no difference--at least externally. Many curves, angles, and measurements line up nearly on the money. And this isn't me being approximate or lazy in my comparisons. Looks like RT to the rescue, which is fantastic.
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Forgot to mention that BL-R400 brakes and BL-R600 brakes also have different hoods. Close, but not the same.
600's have a higher front arch than 400's.
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My hoods, once pulled out of the despair bin, appear to be 7401's. Which means they'll loosely fit the 7402, but not well, and not tight. Plus, it appears I tried to make them fit 7200's in the past, poking a hole in the top to make them non-aero.


Sad snapshot of the frustration brought about by Shimano, at least re: hoods.
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