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Old 04-23-19, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Fahrenheit531 View Post
BioPace. And the several non-round ones that apparently came well before that.
Yep, all of them.
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Old 04-23-19, 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Classtime View Post
Simple question.
1987
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Old 04-23-19, 10:25 PM
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Simple question.
1987
I was trying to be nice. But, you're right. I stand corrected.
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Depends on what you are cutting off. I don't recommend that though unless it's a real emergency.
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to the prurient interest in classic bikes, and lacks serious scientific, literary, artistic, political or social value.
Why I belong here...

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Old 04-24-19, 06:42 AM
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I was trying to be nice. But, you're right. I stand corrected.
Both wrong.

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Both wrong.

3.50
No, no, you haven't figured for inflation, Robbie.

It's 4.50 now.

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Old 04-24-19, 06:46 AM
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Looked around a bit before asking this since it makes me look really under informed. What is the year, or established go-no go point for bike pics or information here? Is there one, or is it a common sense, police yourselves kind of thing?
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does this help?

Q: Is there a formal definition of Classic or Vintage?
How old qualifies as vintage/classic?
What is a classic or vintage bike
What constitutes a Classic or Vintage (How old ???)
Define "Classic" and "Vintage," please
How do you define a classic and vintage bike?
What is the definition / cutoff date for Classic & Vintage?
What does Classic & Vintage mean??
Define "Classic & Vintage"
What is the cutoff date for classic or vintage?
Define "Classic" and "Vintage" For Me
What is Classic and Vintage?
How old is vintage/classic?
What constitutes a Classic/Vintage?
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Old 04-24-19, 06:49 AM
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Some things are - to me - and absolute MUST to be considered C&V. Some are a bit more questionable and open to discussion. Once you start 'deducting points' for the questionable features - that clouds the demarcation. Think shades of gray - but NOT the movie! The more modern 'gray' items or features, the less it generally is considered C&V.

Must have -- diamond frame with level toptube. Steel - ( Lugged steel is even better!) Friction shifting. Threaded headset.

Then we get into the more modern features. Heck, even Aero brake levers are not considered old enough by some (like L'roica) to be C&V, but they started to be introduced in the mid-80s. Indexed shifting was starting to become a thing by the late '80s. Cassette freehubs came along about that same time, replacing freewheels. dual-pivot brakes. Brifters. aero-profile wheels. graphics on wheels... Internal cable routing. Carbon fiber anything.
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My personal definition is extremely loose. As long as the frame is C&V (at least 20 years old) that's enough to get you in the door. Everything else is bonus points.

My reasoning is, any well-loved bike you ride daily for 20 years is gonna have things wear out. And when something does wear out, you'd be a fool to spend top dollar for out-of-production stock parts, when better engineered-contemporary components are available for a fraction of the price, are lighter, more durable and perform better.

If a bike sat for 20+ years unridden, that generally means that:

1.) It rides badly, or
2.) It has an ugly paint job, or
3.) The owner is a poseur, drunk, or OCD sufferer, who never rides, or
4.) The bike was gift to someone who didn't want it and never rides.

All of these situations are unusual and "unnatural". to my mind. If it's a great bike, it will get ridden. A lot. In the antique world, "patina" from regular use is sought after. But for some reason, in the C&V world, it's the pristine unridden 50-100 year-old bikes that cause the most priapisms. I have never really understood this. My dream bike should show signs of wear, a little like Stevie Ray Vaghn's guitar. Maybe not quite THAT bad, but you get the idea. I wanna know the bike was ridden hard, with gusto, and loved.

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Old 04-24-19, 07:25 AM
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Most everyone here is reasonable, I smile when young ones introduce and or ask about a vintage bike from 2007.

I'm old, my bikes are not as old but close save a few that are older.

Of course any internet depository is fleeting, recalling the long gone bikelist.org or wooljersey visual database...
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Old 04-24-19, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Spaghetti Legs View Post
Excel Sports Boulder recently had a sale on “vintage” Pinarellos from 2004 and 2006. I think that’s pushing it a little bit. Bring what ya got and if people don’t like it, the spitballs are small and don’t hurt.
But due to mass-marketing of fake antiques, the terms "classic," "vintage," and "retro" have nothing to do anymore with age. So what's in is now totally random.

Can you know it when you see it? These days, only with good photographs of the actual article. Otherwise, it's roll yer dice and take yer chances.
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Quote:Originally Posted by Classtime Simple question.
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Old 04-24-19, 09:16 AM
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When they stop making triple crankset for road bike so perhaps 2010. The triple crankset is the most beautiful and useful item on a bicycle and they shift great regardless of all the people who claimed otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Lemond1985 View Post
But for some reason, in the C&V world, it's the pristine unridden 50-100 year-old bikes that cause the most priapisms.
If you get one of those lasting more than 4 hours... call your friends and brag.
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The whole "vintage" concept is slippery. If you think of it like model years- you think of the features that were available and popular for that year. It's not so much that it's "old" or that it's a "1958," but the unique features and components and manufacturers and quirks that made that model year unique.

Looking at the guitar analogy above- in 1965 Fender was bought out by CBS- collectors use that as a cutoff- "pre-CBS" For 1960s guitars- those are usually guitars with serial numbers that start with the letter L. An L serial number generally defines a Pre-CBS guitar, even though the L serial number plates were used for almost a year after the sale to CBS.

In the case of Fender Stratocasters- the headstock shape changed at least 4 times between 1964 and 1974- to me the big change is in 68/69 going to the big gaudy leisure suit headstock... If'n I were to buy a Strat- I would look for one that has more of the "classic" more graceful early 60s shape.

With bikes- Model years change characteristics- model numbers change, material and components change... in 1985 the Trek 720 was the outrageously expensive King **** touring bike- in the early 90s, the 720 model number was used on a 'just above entry level' hybrid bike.

To me, steel frames with level top tubes, silver components, relatively subdued graphics are hallmarks of "classic" bikes, that just happen to be "vintage." There's more and less to it- and while there are bikes that are currently made with a lot of the hallmarks of "vintage" bikes- the major manufacturers are not making bikes like that for the great majority of the general public.

IMO and all that.
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Brand new Pashleys are classic and vintage. Refusing to change since 1926, LOL. Sturmey Archer IGH rules the road.
Anything threadless will never be classic, sorry.
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Vintage? Easy. Was it new when I was in high school or college?
Classic? Easy. Is it cool?
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Any interesting bike from the prior century.
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Brand new Pashleys are classic and vintage. Refusing to change since 1926, LOL. Sturmey Archer IGH rules the road.
Anything threadless will never be classic, sorry.
Ditto for the Danish Raleigh Tourist DeLuxe, which is a DL-1 like any other...just new, and outfitted with drums and cables.

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Vintage? Easy. Was it new when I was in high school or college?
Classic? Easy. Is it cool?
Possible winner here.
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If Wilbur and Orville worked on it....slam dunk.
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My loose definition of vintage (>20 yrs) ties in with what my grandmother answered when I asked her "what age is old?'

"Dear, old is always about twenty years more than you are."
And yes, Classic is "coolness" of any age.
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