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Moser leader incognito and/or colnago imposter

Old 04-26-19, 02:57 AM
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Moser leader incognito and/or colnago imposter

I have what I believe to be a Moser Leader rebadged as a Colnago. There are no markings on the frame indic
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Old 04-26-19, 05:52 AM
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Roger that.
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Old 04-26-19, 06:58 AM
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If it is that orange one from your other thread, it at least has a Moser Fork. Not sure about the cutouts in the shell though
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Unclear if HPL was silenced for nefarious reasons, but a partial pic assist just in case...
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Old 04-26-19, 07:10 AM
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Looks like a late 90s Leader AX....
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Unclear if HPL was silenced for nefarious reasons, but a partial pic assist just in case...

Hi CO_Hoy,

Just can't seem to complete post w/o loosing connection, I guess. This was pictured in my Intro post, and the I-Talians post. The brake bridge has the same pantograph as the fork. All models that I've seen the underside of the BB had the "FM" cut-out in the shell. My older '85 Moser the latter BB style.

I will check designs of the AX from the later 90's and see if I can match up the features.





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Old 04-26-19, 07:59 AM
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That is some funky stem! This looks like a bomb track build potential.
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If the brake bridge has the same stylized M logo as the fork, then it would most likely be a Moser, but why would someone take the time to airbrush it like a Colnago? It's not like a Moser wasn't a good frame. Plus, the airbrushing would take lots of time.

Did Colnago make fillet brazed frames? Did a worker start building a frame at Moser's factory, get fired, and then hired by Colnago where he had it painted? It's like the pottery on Antiques Roadshow where the worker made it after hours or it wasn't perfect for sale so he took it home. So many crazy stories you can make up about it.

Did Moser have his own factory or did he have other factories make his bikes for him? Maybe he contracted Colnago to make frames and one Moser got put in the Colnago section for paint?

This is a fun mystery!
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Given the other 2 pantos it's pretty clear to have begun life as a Moser, who knows why somebody thought it was cool to make it into a Fake-nago. The BB shell is a IC Silva product, the builder decided to leave un-panto'd.
BTW those "Colnago" decals look like pretty crude re-pops, we've seen much better counterfeits on other "fakes".

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Old 04-30-19, 03:18 AM
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Moser "Re-badged" Colnago

Unworhty1, there are no decals, the logos appear to have been done from either a improperly placed stencil or poor airbrush detailing. It's got a lot of paint on it, you can barely see the "51.151" on the fork logo.
Jonfd17, yes I have thought of a few good stories to go with the frame; I do have have some properly panto'd components for my other Colnago that if put on would be "icing on the cake", but I'm more inclined to not dressing it up except for what it is. Thus, the Moser Panto'd chain rings I have would be more appropriate if they don't get put on the'85 Moser. I don't have nor have I ever seen steel Colnago with fillet brazing; I have a Colnago Asso (alum.) that might be though.
This was a frame purchased from Italy for about $250 so I figured from the original photos that it was probably a Moser and was worth the money whether an "odd Colnago" or not.
I am a fan of the mutant stems by 3t, they made quill and threadless versions, the quills are getting harder to find though.
I expect to has this on the road in a week; was in the hospital so things getting delayed.
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Thus, the Moser Panto'd chain rings I have would be more appropriate if they don't get put on the'85 Moser. I don't have nor have I ever seen steel Colnago with fillet brazing; I have a Colnago Asso (alum.) that might be though.

I expect to has this on the road in a week; was in the hospital so things getting delayed.
My grandparents were from the same province in Italy as Francesco Moser so I support anything Moser. Moser panto'd chainrings would be really cool to see if you have photos.

I hope you're doing better after the hospital visit and do get back on two wheels soon!
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My grandparents were from the same province in Italy as Francesco Moser so I support anything Moser. Moser panto'd chainrings would be really cool to see if you have photos.

I hope you're doing better after the hospital visit and do get back on two wheels soon!
Thanks for show of concern. Was down, but not out! Went on a quick 8 mile road/X ride to kick the vitals.
My Mom's parents were from Italy, I don't recall the Province.

I have an '85 Moser (I think it was listed merely as the Aelle due to the tubing, but not badged as such) that might get those rings since there will be no "Colnago" distraction on that frame. Still OE paint/decals, but I'm stripping the fork paint to see how the chrome is; there's a little rust bleeding thru the paint but might clean up. We'll see. Hope the frameset photo posts.
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