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Ah and its got a 650c front and 700c rear then? Here's a pic online of a Caloi with TT bars, I just found pic of online, has a 700c rear and 650c front to give an idea of what that looks like built up.
https://velofinds.wordpress.com/2015...oi-bici-crono/ |
Originally Posted by dphi
(Post 23018898)
Here's mine, I believe a '91 Century TSX
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...84c3989bf8.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7d1d314d41.jpg |
Originally Posted by nenad
(Post 23021443)
Here's another one, MX Leader in size 59 and FNP (Collstrop) paint, serial H F7561.
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ea19703ffb.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...cdb044af3f.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...dab7523580.jpg Based on documentation I would say this is: - MX Leader v. 4 - Built in (mid?) 1995 Is there any other significance to this frame? I ask because in your list you have F7651. Also, there is a name on the frame however I have been unable to attach it to any former racer. On a side note, I bought this frame for a friend and now I want it for myself. So, I am in search for another MX Leader in size 59 (hint Jacek). Edit 1: I have disassembled the fork, there's a card on it: https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...11237ece11.jpg And the more I looked at it the more I discerned: F7561 MX 60 I couldn't see any other info. So, I take it this is size 60 after all... Edit 2: Modern cameras and graphics software are amazing, I have found the color code (FNP): https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9496e8faf2.jpg No surprises. |
Originally Posted by botty kayer
(Post 23028285)
nenad hell yeah nice score bagging that for yourself after all:)
You've gotta keep the fork, Max forks are THE BEST, and look sooooo much better than a generic carbon thing up front. I've mostly got 3t Record stems and 3t Competitzione Merckx bend bars on my Eddy's, tho also have a Cinelli XA stem and another one. And I'm sure our eagle eyed Polish friend has already clapped his peepers on this, but for everyone else this has just popped up on UK eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285492169...Bk9SR5i_98LbYg A claimed Merckx built, Caloi badged ex Sean Yates Team Motorola frame. Yates was a total horse of a man, and looking at those mahoosive stays and chunky frame main tubes it looks like its Columbus Max, which would figure for a beast like Yates. Also I note the Caloi bikes have different forks to any of the Merckx bikes of the era, what material do we think the fork is, is it even steel or possibly alu? Personally I'm not a fan on the looks of these forks and much prefer the Mercks ones, especially the Max ones on MX Leaders. Edit: it does look like a steel fork but there's no side on view of the forks so can't really tell if they are Max forks or not. I'd expect them to be, no? But I am a little puzzled as the first pic Yates riding at speed (I don't think he had any other speed!):), the frame looks a few sizes bigger than the frame in the rest of the advert. I know Yates was a tall unit, but also know nowadays pro's are prone to riding frame that are a few sizes too small for them, but did they do that back in Yates's era too? Anyway cool bit of history if its as claimed. PS I've got too many Eddy bikes so though its in England and it piqued my interest, I'm not in the market for it. |
Originally Posted by botty kayer
(Post 23028285)
nenad hell yeah nice score bagging that for yourself after all:)
You've gotta keep the fork, Max forks are THE BEST, and look sooooo much better than a generic carbon thing up front. I've mostly got 3t Record stems and 3t Competitzione Merckx bend bars on my Eddy's, tho also have a Cinelli XA stem and another one. And I'm sure our eagle eyed Polish friend has already clapped his peepers on this, but for everyone else this has just popped up on UK eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/285492169...Bk9SR5i_98LbYg A claimed Merckx built, Caloi badged ex Sean Yates Team Motorola frame. Yates was a total horse of a man, and looking at those mahoosive stays and chunky frame main tubes it looks like its Columbus Max, which would figure for a beast like Yates. Also I note the Caloi bikes have different forks to any of the Merckx bikes of the era, what material do we think the fork is, is it even steel or possibly alu? Personally I'm not a fan on the looks of these forks and much prefer the Mercks ones, especially the Max ones on MX Leaders. Edit: it does look like a steel fork but there's no side on view of the forks so can't really tell if they are Max forks or not. I'd expect them to be, no? But I am a little puzzled as the first pic Yates riding at speed (I don't think he had any other speed!):), the frame looks a few sizes bigger than the frame in the rest of the advert. I know Yates was a tall unit, but also know nowadays pro's are prone to riding frame that are a few sizes too small for them, but did they do that back in Yates's era too? Anyway cool bit of history if its as claimed. PS I've got too many Eddy bikes so though its in England and it piqued my interest, I'm not in the market for it. "Buyer is welcome to speak to my friend who was ex-BBC to help verify authenticity as he has provenance, proofs." It'd be interesting to see what proofs he can show. For a start, it'd be nice to see what is underneath the bottom bracket. Nenad |
Originally Posted by nenad
(Post 23029941)
Well, it's possible, what I find encouraging is seller's comment at the end:
"Buyer is welcome to speak to my friend who was ex-BBC to help verify authenticity as he has provenance, proofs." It'd be interesting to see what proofs he can show. For a start, it'd be nice to see what is underneath bottom bracket. Nenad |
Originally Posted by merziac
(Post 23030075)
Frame on offer not the frame in pic, lugged for sale, not lugged and much bigger frame in pic with unibrow fork, it may be a team frame but way small for Yates no matter how you spin it, Yates sticker may be legit and # hanger present so......
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I have little doubt it is what it was claimed to be. There are other examples known of this frame style from the Caloi era, such as the Wiebren Veenstra one botty kayer linked earlier in this thread. This one pictured here is an ex Kevin Livingston example that is in one of the Merckx FB groups. If I recall correctly, the frameset was for sale on Yahoo auctions a while back now, and the current owner has built it as you see.
There is footage on Youtube of the 1995 TDF TTT that shows some of the Motorola riders on this exact style of frame. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...02c1fc4190.jpg |
40 pages already!
I remember seeing the start of the topic, a while ago. Besides an Axel track bike, I'm not in Merckx built bikes. I prefer the earlier ones and own a Fiat team bike (team member passed away a year after selling me his frame) Yesterday however, while hinting for another bike, I encountered a Merckx and despite knowing what it was, I took a picture of the bottom bracket https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...ac609806_k.jpgMerckx frame by bagheerabe, on Flickr So, If I understood the game, this frame was built by mister A, size 54 and it should be in early 1981, potentially the 1069th frame? (what a gigantic production) Am I correct? |
Almost perfectly
A - this is the guy who made the final adjustments and corrections 4. - most likely 54 cm (could be 64 cm - the dot sometimes indicated a non-standard frame size) E070 - according to the latest findings, the frame may have been built in September/October 1980. Before the E series was built: - series without serial markings: number unknown, at least a few dozen units - a series "without a letter": the highest known number was 1048 - V series: early designs - highest known number is 515 It is unknown how many of these frames were built during the "training at De Rosa" (probably the V series and perhaps the series without serial markings), and it is not known whether the numerical continuity of the markings was maintained. |
It is a 54
And as you would have guessed, "Signature" |
A seller gave this info:
"This is an Eddy Merckx Century 653 Frame and Fork set in Team GAN color with 58cm frame size.I recognize that it says corsa extra on the top tube, but I was offered reliable info from thr EM museum that this is actually a Century model, only done a couple years with Reynolds 653 tubing. It was built in 88/89 and sent back to the EM factory for a repaint in the late 90’s where it got the GAN paint job." Seat tube - 57cm c-c Top tube 57cm c-c" On the left of the bottom bracket shell is only an H On the right of the bottom bracket shell is B and under the B is 858 Rear OLD is 130 (another 653 Century I saw posted was reported to be 126 OLD) I don't have enough posts to post pictures here, but there's a couple in my album for this forum. |
It all makes sense - what is an "EM museum"?
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I asked the seller about the EM museum and got this reply:
Re: the EM museum. I actually don’t know much about how substantial it is in person, or even where it’s at. A fella that goes by Emerxil on the paceline forum regularly posts about EM bikes and has a wealth of knowledge. I think I read somewhere that he got some of the EM documentation. |
Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron
(Post 23056570)
It all makes sense - what is an "EM museum"?
You've done well the place looks great.:thumb: |
I didn't expect that - I feel strange
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Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron
(Post 23057406)
I didn't expect that - I feel strange
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1989 Corsa Extra in Domex Weinmann livery
5 X B 4968 https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0b51e1eca.jpeg As found https://images.craigslist.org/00303_...B_1200x900.jpg |
Long time no see, best regards to all Forum members and greetings for the upcoming Christmas season; here I am again after (finally) sourcing a most desired E.Mercks frame, a Corsa 01 coming from an untraced France owner, that transformed the bike over the years. The frame deserves better, and I kindly ask the knowledgeable @CyclesMakaron member to help me with the year of manufacturing for a correct restoration.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...01bd68e2a.jpeg |
Originally Posted by billytwosheds
(Post 23103140)
1989 Corsa Extra in Domex Weinmann livery
5 X B 4968 https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0b51e1eca.jpeg As found https://images.craigslist.org/00303_...B_1200x900.jpg |
G 183 4 Corsa 01 - finish 1995/start 1996
B4968 - F(?)5X - summer 1989 |
Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron
(Post 23109644)
G 183 4 Corsa 01 - finish 1995/start 1996
B4968 - F(?)5X - summer 1989 any idea why no codes stamped on the drive side? |
During this period, regular markings were no longer placed - hence the size (4) on the "wrong" side and the lack of Corsa model marking.
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https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...8638db786f.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c33a3f50d8.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...99cf5e66ed.jpg Hi, Eddy Merckx in Hitachi livery. Not sure what model this is. Internal cable routing, but no X (SLX) mark. Updated frame? Regards, Mark |
Corsa Extra SLX 1988
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Hi Cycles Makaron. Did you ever figure out why some frames, like this one, are missing the frame size second digit and tubing identifier on the left? My 62cm Corsa Extra has "2X" but this frame does not have that.
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Originally Posted by Fivethumbs
(Post 23134085)
Hi Cycles Makaron. Did you ever figure out why some frames, like this one, are missing the frame size second digit and tubing identifier on the left? My 62cm Corsa Extra has "2X" but this frame does not have that.
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Originally Posted by CyclesMakaron
(Post 23133900)
Corsa Extra SLX 1988
What about this one? Corsa Extra with external cable routing and chroom fork. What year would this one be? Thanks alot! https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...db0192a129.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...a5b38c8b78.jpg |
If you see a frame with a sticker "Corsa Extra" and do not see the letter X on the BB cover then:
- your frame is built with SLX tubing, but it belongs to the approximately 3% of series frames where the letter X was not placed for some reason - your frame is custom built from an unusual tubing mix - your frame is built for profi - your frame is built with Reynolds tubing (753 or 653) - your frame is Corsa Extra Max - the previous owner stuck "Corsa Extra" on for a joke. Lack of frame size marking indicates unusual geometry or sclerosis. Always check the sticker on the steering tube (if it survived), it contains a lot of information. Z8755 - 1988 |
Hi,
Looking for some information about this EM Panasonic The owner said that he bought from a prof biker with name Danny Vanbockstael You don´t see very good the number but is 1 X Y A 4145 https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0b40256204.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...ac7c92fd58.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c716992bf6.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d77d8612eb.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...c50886528b.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...464eae20d4.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...de0e5c5379.jpg Thanks a lot Vic |
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