Then I shall keep talking to make theminimum post requirement:) Along with my Motorola TSX, there are two more Motorolas in my town because there is a bike shop associated with Lance Armstrong. Two of his team bikes hang from the rafters, both from the Motorola days. If only I could post photos. Hmmm. So, more to come and thank you again for your expertise. I suspect you singlehandedly raised the value and desireability of EMC frames.

I found pictures of your frame in an unexpected (almost unexpected) place... Beautiful - but EMC frames have been released to the US for sure already in 1981 (the unconfirmed info gives even the end of 1980). If it's true with this increase in value - I accidentally made my life more difficult, I haven't bought all the EMC I've been looking for yet :)

It's true, this one is up for sale. But fear not. Now, due to learning more about EMC from you and others on this forum thread? I'm going to hunt for another Merckx in my size. And like everyone else who ever threw a leg over a racing bicycle, I really love the team replica bikes. Faema or Molteni, and drillium!

But back to my slightly incorrect listing: When did Gita start with EMC? Was someone else in the USA importing them prior to Gita?

Cursive Seat Stay EMs
 

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...182affb0f7.jpg
Appreciate all the great info on EMs. I'm hoping to get more info on these 2 old repainted cursive seat stay EMs.

velopackrat: #71 :)
Belg - Ital Steel: one man shouldn't have two such frameworks, it's obvious... :) left - frame from the first production series (without serial numbers): 6 - size (56cm), A - EMC employee designation (there is a good chance that it could be Mr.Vranckx); right - frame No.151 from the "no letter" series...but not quite (V designation appears on some early frames of the series and it is not EMC employee code), 6 - (56cm). Both frames were built in 1980. More photos !

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https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e6da3686dc.jpg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3f064b765f.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...46bf224d00.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7d4b8addb3.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb9f4a5364.jpg

I traded the one on the left off last week to a forum member-original paint-silly me... but I'm downsizing. I still have the one on the right which has been repainted.

Cursive Seat Stay EMs
 

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https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...3f064b765f.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...46bf224d00.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7d4b8addb3.jpg
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bb9f4a5364.jpg

I traded the one on the left off last week to a forum member-original paint-silly me... but I'm downsizing. I still have the one on the right which has been repainted.

The darker colored frame has 3 top tube cable guides. The lighter colored frame has 2 sets of 2 each cable guides on the bottom of the top tube? Any chance the non flat crowned fork on the lighter colored frame is original? thx again

Light blue: the guides on the top tube are unusual (they were not installed in series), possible reconstruction or special order (some photos before repainting?); the fork is rather not original (the steering tube should have a serial number stamped on it).
Dark blue: the upper rear lug is... short (the front two are long) - a big surprise, "mixed" lugs happened later (rarely).
Dropouts photos ?

EMs Cursive Seat Stays
 

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More picks of light blue frame

The situation is getting complicated... our blue friend looks like he's "built on an EMC frame". To unusual cable guides for top tube and unique fork should be added lower front lug - certainly not used in EMC (I've seen it in other frames built in Belgium, certainly Plum and Heydens). If I had to guess: it's an EMC frame rebuilt after an "event", where the top tube, front bottom lug and fork are replaced (the rest looks like 100% EMC) - it's just speculation. Frames with the "V" marking (and I know only four of them) are unusual, I don't know what it results from (one built for eight-year-old Axel M., one is a display unit or a gift - gold, with atypically mounted rear brake, one with atypical serial marking) - maybe only because it is the beginning of production and not yet determined all the details of the frame's construction.

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Thanks again CyclesMakaron for your expertise.

Saw a nice one this weekend, the Caloi model. Had the rider's name on it, and the jersey.

Sitting next to it was Tom Boonen's EMX-7.

And 2 Team Panasonics, a Reynolds Crest Cannondale, 2 Colnago Masters.... nice shop.

Here's a mystery - at least to me. I only see numbers on this Merckx bottom bracket.

7 5
9940

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...2084bbf2d8.jpg

It is rather 7 E9940, Eddy Merckx (Professional) 1984 (around "7" there should be a letter, most likely G,A,P,M; maybe even R).

Aha! Once I saw "5" instead of "E", I couldn't see it any other way. Contemplating buying this one. Would like to have an early Merckx.

Eddy Merckx Geometry ?
 

We are repairing a crashed frame that had the tubes removed and don't know the geometry. It has a number on the bottom bracket of E 9920 and an A on the other side. Is there a way to find it out.

Wow nice

This is Eddy Merckx Professional 1984, the frame has a "road race" geometry. All Professional, early Corsa, Corsa Extra, 3-Athlete, Strada had this geometry. You can find a table with some dimensions and angles of this geometry in catalogues 1991 and 1994 - welcome to my threads :)

Hi,
First of all thanks for your efforts in obtaining all this knowledge, it's very interesting to follow.
I have the following Merckx frame of which I would like to have more insight:

- left side: 6 and way underneath what looks to be an inverted P
- right side: Z and 570

I also have the "modele vitus dep" cable guides under the bracket and would like to know why certain frames have this and others not.
And finally the seatpost is a 27 while it looks that normally these frames seem to have a 27,2

cheers,
Peter

P6 Z570 - year of manufacture 1984; at that time, EMC produced Professional (Columbus SL/SP or Reynolds 531 tubes), 3-Athlete (Reynolds 501) and Pro (Columbus SLX/SPX or Reynolds 753) models. Only one of them had "its" designation - Professional R531: on the left side the letter R. The 3-Athlete model has 2 unique features: dropouts of a different shape than Campagnolo, with "Eddy Merckx" and BB cover without recesses (4 or 6) or with cutouts =. There are no 'riflings' inside the steering tubes and it has... seatpost 27 (or 26,8). The Pro 753 has no riflings, no chrome-plated tubes and is extremely lightweight. Models built with Columbus have "riflings", Professional has always had Gipiemme "cube" brake bridge, Pro almost always has Silva brake bridge. The surest confirmation for SLX/SPX is to see the tube ends visible inside the BB cover - all should have "riflings". Some photos could help :) Vitus cable guide is characteristic for EMC 1984 frames (it was an option), most often it appeared in Professional and 3-Athlete.

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Thanks for the detailed response, much appreciated.
Bike will be disassembled shortly to be refurbished, an ideal opportunity to post some pictures of the inner tubes and get confirmation.

Hello Jacek,

I hope 2020 is treating you well.

I have just acquired a new to me Merckx frame. It's a MX Leader with MXL tubing in the Domo Farm Frites colours. Team frites, that's my kind of team :)

I think its one of the later ones as it has the Merckx logo stamped at the top of the seat stays, and also has cable guides on the side of the head tube. That's all I know about, so I'd be very grateful if you are able to provide any further info.

I have seen other Domo Farm Frites bikes that appear to have different logos on the downtube and seat tube, but I prefer this one as the seat tube and down tube lettering are in the same font. Another one I saw online has a slightly different pattern on the fork, but I don't know the reasons for the subtle differences between these frames and wondered if you did.

Some pics.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...bd30376138.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...7ad7736334.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...1cc8556122.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...86342ddf1a.jpg
And here's the bottom bracket, the letters and numbers on the right side are clearly D and 9602 but I can't quite make out the code on the left side. I thought it was D but having looked more closely and on zoom it looks like it might me P.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...b643843b55.jpg
Thanks in advance for any further information you can provide.
regards
Dan

Hi Jacek,
tried to post some pictures of the tubing however I'm not allowed to post them here... Any tips how to get them to you?
Cheers,
Peter

A long, long time ago, the EMC factory in Meise was getting ready for the new season - 1994. It was the Belgian autumn of 1993, it may have been November, and it was the month in which the frames for professional teams was being built... Slightly earlier a frame was built (for sure) for Jan Schur (Motorola - D9563) and after about a week a frame for Frank Vandenbroucke (Lotto-Caloi - D9674) was built (also for sure). In the meantime time was found to build the frame D9602 - it is not known in what painting pattern (unless there is some information preserved on the steering tube - which after painting in - probably 2001 - is rather improbable), it is not known for whom and it is not even known whether for a professional rider. However, the owner, whoever he was, decided to repaint the frame - for this purpose he gave it to Meise to be done superprofessionally.
And that would be the end of this touching story, if not for a certain possibility: this is a frame built for a profi rider, who was riding EM bikes in 1994, then he kept it for himself as a training bike (it didn't bother anyone in the next groups, because they didn't use EMC bikes), until finally he got back to the team riding EM and He MUST have painted the frame in new colors... Something like that once happened to Cezary Zamana, his EM from 1992 was repainted on Motorola-Caloi for the 1995 season (the legendary D611). The question: did such a rider exist? ...Yes, he spent the 1994 season in Lotto-Caloi and the 2001 season in Domo Farm Frites... In front of you: Mario De Clercq - a loud applause please (great rider, 3 times World Champion in ...cyclocross).
Now this - you will admit - beautiful story must be proved...

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Sorry, I don't remember, but I guess you have to write 5 posts (if that's true - you still have 2 left).

You sir are brilliant, you paint such an evocative scene :)

So its a late 93/early 94 frame. I didn't mention it before but there is a name on the top tube, I looked up the name but did not find anything on it, so asked the previous owner. He said the name on the top tube was not a pro rider, but that of Belgian club rider who said he ordered the frame in the Merckx factory. I was told this info but have no idea if that is true or not. I thought as he was not a pro rider I'd best not plaster his name over the internet which is why I did not post it.

I have just had a look at the fork steerer, and the only markings on it are the remains of some writing on an old sticker near the threaded end of the fork. Hers is a pic.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...d8e08e91cf.jpg
Is that any help or mean anything to you?

Well, if I have a frame built for the 1994 season and the name Lefevre, then by far the coolest association would be... Laurent Lefevre and his second (road) and third (ITT) place (Under-19 category) in Agrigento World Championships 1994... but Laurent was French and probably drove on some Look or Vitus - one photo would explain the doubts. The letters DDT are also mysterious; as a rule, it was a code of pattern and frame painting colours... But the aforementioned D9674 frame had a VDB, which meant Vandenbroucke... The case requires a thorough investigation.

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Thanks again, very interesting.

I have seen you mention across your various threads that you own a number of Eddy Merckx frames. Have you posted pics of them on this forum somewhere? If yes where are they? I'd love to see what kind of Eddy's you have in your collection :)

Regarding using frame details to "decode" EM frames: Every EM frame could be ordered "customized", the mod options included where and which braze-ons, chroming, engraving of seatstays, fork crown form, bottleholder mounts, number holder, tubing and geometry. The surplus fee was a moderate 50 DM in 1990 for german customers, but it took up to 9 months delivery.