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Old 05-02-19, 06:59 AM
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Another one I didn't need. Research needed!

This was on FB market place so cheap I couldn't resist.




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Old 05-02-19, 07:02 AM
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Forgot the rest of the text... So does anyone know what that decal says? Looks like DITOUR to me but I can't find anything else about it. Tube set is Oria TT09.
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No help here, sorry. But I seem to be hypnotized by that BB shell. It looks high-end, other than those "ears" that bend down over the cable grooves. It just makes it look cheap & classy, at the same time. 🤔😁
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The rest of the pics. So it looks like it was either a brief sponsorship with a company that made massage creams, or a celebration of Indurain winning the tour. Either way it's close to my size so will be getting ridden soon!





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and the whole thing:

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Old 05-02-19, 08:44 AM
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Could this be the "bane" of your collection?


Sorry. Couldn't resist.
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Piccard

Make esto number one.


Ok that doesn't quite work...
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Or your nest egg?

(Okay, we better stop...)
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Not sure about the "ditour," but Pinarello made Banesto team replica bikes. This looks like one of those.
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Not sure about the "ditour," but Pinarello made Banesto team replica bikes. This looks like one of those.
Substandard decals was a Pinarello specialty. I was half ready to joke that that based on the decals, it might be one when I saw the first post.
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Not sure about the "ditour," but Pinarello made Banesto team replica bikes. This looks like one of those.
This.
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Not sure about the "ditour," but Pinarello made Banesto team replica bikes. This looks like one of those.
Nothing Pinarello like on it except the stem. Was hoping someone could proffer an opinion on the serial number (and the '8' next to it) and the seatstay treatment?
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Where was that overpriced bike advert thread?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Miguel-Indu...-/123667304067
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Not sure about the "ditour," but Pinarello made Banesto team replica bikes. This looks like one of those.

Yeah I think this is the long lost Miguel Indurain's bike!
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Not really much help, but here's one with the decals in tact: https://veloscorsa.wordpress.com/2010/03/05/banesto/
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Where was that overpriced bike advert thread?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Miguel-Indu...-/123667304067
See, I know a good BB shell when I see it. 😁😉
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So, more research later, it's possible that they were made by Pinarello? There is the pic below of a seat cluster on a Stelvio very similar, and although it's not an unusual finishing, the other company I thought might be a possibility Razesa don't finish like that at all.


What's more, that same Stelvio has the layout of the serial numbers in the same format as this banana:

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So, more research later, it's possible that they were made by Pinarello?
There's some similarities for sure, but without any GPT logos or bird motifs I think you're drawing a long bow to say it was made by Pinarello. Nice frame though.
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Did Pinarello even have their own factory?
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Did Pinarello even have their own factory?
Yes, although it was moved to the outskirts of Treviso in the early 80’s.

They still do, but I think it’s mostly used for finishing frames now.
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I think you're drawing a longbow to say it was made by Pinarello. Nice frame though.
I'm English. I can draw a longbow with the best of them!

Thanks, it's defo getting a couple of rides before any decisions are made...
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Keep it, put Ironman decals on it.
No one in France will know.
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What threading does it have? How wide is the BB shell?
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Oria TT09 was a plain gauge 0.9mm tubeset that goes back to at least 1988. This would suggest a lower mid-range model, which would be consistent with the lack of chrome on the frame itself and other cost concessions, such as the stamped seat lug, though curiously, it has a front derailleur braze-on.

I'm seeing a mix of mostly 1990s Shimano parts. The part most likely to be OEM is the headset and it has a nylon cover for the upper cone, indicating no better than 105SC. Shimano didn't produce braze-on front derailleurs for below RX100. The derailleurs and brifters appear to be RX100, though the crankset is definitely 600 Ultegra. I'm not sure if this was built from a frameset or frankenbiked, though other internet entries suggest these were offered as framesets via the French distributor. One source claims circa 1991-1993. Some posts mention Italian BB threading, suggesting they were sourced from Italy. FWIW, the serial number format is consistent with what is seen on 1980s Pinarello.
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Oria TT09 was a plain gauge 0.9mm tubeset that goes back to at least 1988. This would suggest a lower mid-range model, which would be consistent with the lack of chrome on the frame itself and other cost concessions, such as the stamped seat lug, though curiously, it has a front derailleur braze-on.

I'm seeing a mix of mostly 1990s Shimano parts. The part most likely to be OEM is the headset and it has a nylon cover for the upper cone, indicating no better than 105SC. Shimano didn't produce braze-on front derailleurs for below RX100. The derailleurs and brifters appear to be RX100, though the crankset is definitely 600 Ultegra. I'm not sure if this was built from a frameset or frankenbiked, though other internet entries suggest these were offered as framesets via the French distributor. One source claims circa 1991-1993. Some posts mention Italian BB threading, suggesting they were sourced from Italy. FWIW, the serial number format is consistent with what is seen on 1980s Pinarello.
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Thanks T-mar. The previous owner did indeed buy it as a frameset when he lived in Spain. Apparently from banesto themselves although who knows. Some of the oria tubeset seem to be very popular particularly it seems with Indurain when he was riding for banesto sponsored by Razesa. As for the serial number format the blue pinarello has a 6 and from the photos looks like a 56cm where's mine has an 8 and is a 58cm. I wouldn't take it to court but it's not a bad start!
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