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Old 05-06-19, 06:51 PM
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Frejus Torino Tour de France

No pics yet, sorry. Bought a Frejus tonight. I posted the craigslist ad on the Vintage "what's it worth" subforum, but the ad is gone now. It is a bike with the Frejus fenders and the rear carry rack. I saw these in pictures while doing research. Wienemann turkey foot brake levers, so those aren't stock. Might be a fun project next winter. Pics maybe on weekend. Some components below.

-No frame material sticker, but has the seat tube joint of the Frejus/Legano without the oval
-60mm 34" standover, too big for me
-107534 serial number, maybe 1964
-Campy Gran Sport front and rear
-Frejus steel cottered crank with half step gears 50/47
-Lycard pedals
-Ballila centerpulls
-Frejus head
-TTT stem and bars
-Campy hubs, pre record? little wings stamping
-Rigida AL1320 rims
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Glad you bought it! It was a steal.
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Old 05-06-19, 08:32 PM
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I've got one, s/n 104060, so a bit older than yours. I think it's still early 60s, but has Simplex dropouts and came with a Simplex Juy 61 derailleur. Not yet on the road. Any day now (been saying that for awhile) ...

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Quick pics before work

As found/purchased last night. 30lbs even on scale as it sits. 24" ctc seat tube, 23" top tube. This model with fenders was pictured in an old add by another member last year as he posted asking about the hierarchy of the model. This is about 2 sizes too big for me, but I thought it may be fun to get it rideable and see how the Italians do things. Probably will sell or trade in the distant future. Price was too good to pass on. Still sleeping, but forgot to snap pic of the worst paint damage on right side of top tube; scratch about 2" long by 1/4" wide, maybe from hanging on a hook.



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A few more pics I didn't upload properly.
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Very nice!
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Nice. Better shape than mine.

I see you have clamp on shift cable routing. Are there other little braze-ons for routing shift cable housing? That's how mine is equipped. Still have to hook it up, though in theory each shifter cable will be fully encased from shifter to derailleur. I guess I'll find out why that practice didn't continue (water retention or friction would be my guess).
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Originally Posted by smontanaro View Post
Nice. Better shape than mine.

I see you have clamp on shift cable routing. Are there other little braze-ons for routing shift cable housing? That's how mine is equipped. Still have to hook it up, though in theory each shifter cable will be fully encased from shifter to derailleur. I guess I'll find out why that practice didn't continue (water retention or friction would be my guess).
They are clamped at shifters and at the seat tube. There is a braze-on at the chain stay so that the short metal outer cable casing has an anchor point.
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Originally Posted by smontanaro View Post
Nice. Better shape than mine.
Better shape than mine too! Just picked up a late 60’s ? super corsa last week and am in the middle of a resto project. It started off rough, but is coming along nicely. My serial is 1833.L

You've got a beautiful bike there!! Welcome to the Frejus club!
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I have seen Frejus with slightly older serial numbers, Campagnolo Gran Sport derailleurs, Columbus tubing and Campagnolo dropouts, which is what I would expect on a Tour de France model of the mid-1960s. To me, it does not make sense that they would down grade the dropouts. Consequently, the non-descript dropouts without flats on the subject bicycle make me suspect this is a mid-range model. To this end, I'd be verifying the seat post diameter and checking if it has a Columbus steerer tube (i.e. five helical ridges on the inside, at the bottom).
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I have seen Frejus with slightly older serial numbers, Campagnolo Gran Sport derailleurs, Columbus tubing and Campagnolo dropouts, which is what I would expect on a Tour de France model of the mid-1960s. To me, it does not make sense that they would down grade the dropouts. Consequently, the non-descript dropouts without flats on the subject bicycle make me suspect this is a mid-range model. To this end, I'd be verifying the seat post diameter and checking if it has a Columbus steerer tube (i.e. five helical ridges on the inside, at the bottom).
I am a total newbie to these vintage bikes, unless my 45 year old Super Sort counts so just presenting info as I see it. The steel seat tube on this bike measures 26.45mm on my Mitutoyo calipers. On the steerer, would the ridges be something I could see with the front wheel and fender off? On an earlier post, juvela stated that he thought the bike had Agrati dropouts and Falck tubing. On the underside of the BB is stamped TdF62.

juvela also posted the likely brake levers and pedals when stock. Nothing like those on eBay, and similar stuff was quite costly. I may keep an eye out, but in the mean time I will see what I may find that looks more vintage and appropriate at the co-op. I also need to add some toe clips and new tape and tires. I want to make it rideable first and see about correct parts in the future.

Slight Speed also posted on his beautiful 1964 Legnano Roma that he has been riding for 55 years. Wow, I only have 45 on my old Schwinn. Thanks all.
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Like most manufacturers, Falck had multiple tubesets. However, 26.45mm is what I would have expected from their plain gauge set, which was typical for mid-range models of the era. Given this, it's not a Columbus tubeset and removing the wheel and fender, to check inside the steerer tube is going to be a waste of time.
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cleaned up a bit and rideable

Between work and other projects, I got this old bike cleaned up a bit and in rideable condition. Surprisingly stripping off the extras got weight down to 26.5 lbs even with the steel post and crank and with the fenders. Brake levers of course not correct, but they work and look much better than the safety levers. Hub locknuts said 63' on this one. Toe clips needless to say add greatly to the riding experience. I will have more and better pics hopefully this weekend on the C&V valuation site. Unfortunately this one is a bit large for me and geared too tall and I really wouldn't want to change much on it.


1964? Tour de France
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Looks amazing! I'm slightly envious, as my 23.5" frame is a bit smaller than ideal for me and my bike was in no where near as nice condition - and it came without the fenders. I bought it on Ebay for a bit too much money, as it was advertised as including some components it didn't end up having and the indoor photos did not properly depict the poor condition of the chrome and paint work. It came with Valentino Extra derailleurs and shifters, as well as a 3T Touriste stem and handlebars, which all apparently date a bit later than my serial # suggests. It also has Simplex hubs with Rigida rims and wingnuts rather than quick-releases. Below is a thread I started about mine a while back...

A Frejus Tour de France c. 1964

My serial number is 100622, which I also reckoned dated my frame to about 1964 based on research.

I rode mine 85 miles last Sunday and had a blast. They ride beautifully - just stiff enough to have some bite during a sprint but lively and comfortable for long distances. I've probably put three or four hundred miles on it in total since I got it back on the road last spring, and would probably spring on a full restoration if it weren't for being a bit small.

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good to know

Thanks Gregory
On my short shakedown ride, mine rode nice and had a nice feel. I even came out of the saddle and mashed the pedals a bit which is definitely not my riding style at all. My body is just a slight bit off from symmetric but this bike felt stable and confident. I live in a slightly urban area and had no mirror, so that dampened things a bit for me. I saw this one for a good price, so thought I would see how the Italians do things. Learning is half the fun, as is the wrenching.
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I hope to ride a Frejus one day. I've always admired them deeply.

I recommend an eyeglass-mounted or helmet-mounted mirror. They are easy to take from bike to bike.
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Frejus tdf

Hi, no pics as I am a newbie, I have bought a Frejus tdf. Looks all original to untrained eye. Think it's a boom era model as no serial number on frame. Ballila side pull brakes, ttt stem and handle bars. Legnano hubs, Fiamme rims, Italia RS saddle, Frejus bar plugs, campy.. Front and rear.. Patent/Valentino. Campy cable guide for front deureullier. Ofmega headset and quick releases. ALE toe clips. Any Ideas as to age please. Bozzi sticker on down tube. Head sticker as opposed to badge. Many thanks
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