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Old 05-13-19, 02:44 PM
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Windsor build , 70's Made In Mexico bike

Everybody knows the Windsor Bicycles-Eddy Merckx Hour Record story that occurred in Mexico back in 1972. Eddy riding a Colnago with Windsor stickers on it.
I also had a good friend who raced a Windsor back in the early 80's when we were teens, I had an Olmo at the time but I always liked the chromed lugs of the Windsor. I always remembered that cool silver bike with the Campy parts and recently and had a chance to pick one up,except in orange. Its been sitting for a few months and this weekend I finally got around to start building it up with my many years of accumulated Campy parts. The Bike and Parts show their age but still in very good rideable/useable condition.




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I installed the headset but for some reason I had to trim the steering tube about 3/8th on an inch.Im guessing the original build had center pull brakes with a thicker bracket under the upper lock nut. The Campy heaset was greased up and installed.
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Handsome, thanks for for posting!

Have not before seen a Pro with this slotted crown.

Will look forward to following your build.

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there was one batch of these which came through from Acer-Mex ~1973-74 where all of the shell interiors were heavily rusted.

just something to check. your example appears to be about four years later so prolly moot.

Importer may have been Bicycle Parts Pacific of San Diego.

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Handsome, thanks for for posting!

Have not before seen a Pro with this slotted crown.

Will look forward to following your build.

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there was one batch of these which came through from Acer-Mex ~1973-74 where all of the shell interiors were heavily rusted.

just something to check. your example appears to be about four years later so prolly moot.

Importer may have been Bicycle Parts Pacific of San Diego.

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Before building it up I noticed the fork tube had the identical serial number as the frame as well as the "Columbus tubing" stamped on the steerer tube. Ive rarely ever seen a frame with matching serial numbers stamped on both parts.

Next up came the bottom bracket install and the Campy Super Record Cranks. These are the "MEXICO Style" cranks with the cutouts on the spiders milled out like Eddy Merckx had in Mexico City in 72'.
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Sweet bike. Looking forward to seeing it completed.
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I installed the Cinelli 1R Stem with the Giro Handlebars. Then I installed the Campy brake levers. The white rubber hoods are from an old Dia Comp lever set I had.Im not going for a peroid perfectly correct replica but something that will be functional . So far everything is bolting together without any issues. The Brake Calipers went on as well. I had to install a couple of extra washers on the front caliper as the caliper was rubbing on the lower headset cup. 2 extra washers and clearance issues solved.

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Great find! I was always jealous of my friend's silver Windsor Pro from when we were in our late teens.

Also looking forward to seeing the finished bike
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Before building it up I noticed the fork tube had the identical serial number as the frame as well as the "Columbus tubing" stamped on the steerer tube. Ive rarely ever seen a frame with matching serial numbers stamped on both parts.

Next up came the bottom bracket install and the Campy Super Record Cranks. These are the "MEXICO Style" cranks with the cutouts on the spiders milled out like Eddy Merckx had in Mexico City in 72'.
Are the milled slots tapered, narrower at the bottom than the top or it just an optical conclusion?
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Bought a Windsor Pro(Columbus SL tubing) back in '79 and I still ride it...paid a little over $600 for it(that would be $2100 in today's dollars). Up until a few years ago it was my main road bike. Wonderful ride. I now ride Lemonds mostly, and mostly those as I like the STI shifting..and they are made with good steel or titanium. My Windsor is still completely original..other than the 7 speed freewheel on the back end. It has a ride that's very similar to the Lemonds.

Forgive the lousy pic..it's all I'm finding at the moment. I had it repainted and the component group anodized black within about a year of buying it. It was silver originally..silver was never a great color for me.





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I had a low end Windsor International when I was in High School and early years of College. It was a good solid bike. Not a Windsor Pro, but of course for a kid in high school it was a good bike. There may have been some influence when buying that bike, that Eddie Merckx rode a Windsor.
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
Are the milled slots tapered, narrower at the bottom than the top or it just an optical conclusion?
No they are uniform in width and length, I agree its an optical illusion as I aso thought they were tapered.
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Not sure I’m remembering correctly, but weren’t there a rash of fake Windsors at one time? If so, how does one spot a fake?
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I had a low end Windsor International when I was in High School and early years of College. It was a good solid bike. Not a Windsor Pro, but of course for a kid in high school it was a good bike. There may have been some influence when buying that bike, that Eddie Merckx rode a Windsor.
I also thought Eddy rode a Windsor in his Hour Reord, it wasnt til the introduction of the Internet that I discovered all the juicy details.
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No they are uniform in width and length, I agree its an optical illusion as I aso thought they were tapered.
Tx, I was getting ready to say that was the first I had seen, probably wouldn't be impossible for a good machinist like Merz or Jon "Drillium Revival" Williams RIP.
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Not sure Iím remembering correctly, but werenít there a rash of fake Windsors at one time? If so, how does one spot a fake?
That would be amusing since more than one unscrupulous seller has tried to pass off Windsors as Cinellis. I found one once with Ford motor blue rattlecan paint, fake Cinelli headbadge, and a set of Cinelli decals. It even had a sloping crown Raleigh fork as a poor copy of the sloping crown Cinelli fork!



I never was able to figure out whether it was a Windsor, a Raysport, or something else altogether.
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Not sure Iím remembering correctly, but werenít there a rash of fake Windsors at one time? If so, how does one spot a fake?
I think you are confusing that people were attempting to pass off Windsor Profesionals, as Cinelli's since they are very similar.
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That is a nice one for sure. Looking forward to seeing this bike completed. Mexico style cranks yet... Very nice. I've always had a fondness for Windsors. When I first got into cycling, and was looking for my first quality bike, it was suggested that I consider a Windsor or a Motobecane. Still think both those brands are very cool.
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I think you are confusing that people were attempting to pass off Windsor Profesionals, as Cinelli's since they are very similar.
That must have been it!
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I had a few chores to take care of around the house so I put the Windsor on hold..So today I got some new brake cables put on the old Campy calipers, installed the front deraileur and the front shifters mocked up the frame with some spare wheels I had available,So far its looking good.

I have an old set of Ambrosio with Galli hubs that are 6 speed, but Im not really feeling like opening up the hubs and regreasing them. Besides the Ambrosio's are black rims and I prefer the natural aluminum color myself.



I was surprised how light the bike weighs with the parts I have on so far. The Record rear Deraileur and chain should be installed very soon, and then a final test drive with adjustments to the cable housing's and anything else that feels out of whack.
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Nice Windsor Professional

Spent the 70's living in New Mexico. Around 1974-75 started seeing Windsor bikes coming into the local market. It may have been one individual bringing them in. Not sure if they were coming from SoCal or Mexico or both.

Anyway, because they were being bootlegged in, local shops were reluctant to have any dealings with Windsors.

The all Campy Windsor Professionals offered a lot of bang for the buck but the cosmetics and workmanship were inconsistent back then. The lower priced Windsor models were even worse.

There were all kinds of fantasy stories about a connection between Windsor and Cinelli and so on.

Unfortunately Windsor suffered from the same image problems that affected the Mexican made Benottos: Hecho En Mexico!

@Manny66 Looks like you have a really nice example of a well built Windsor Professional.

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I love and ride mine regularly! My Windsor Pro came to me through a mechanic from Wally's Bike Shop in San Luis Obispo Ca. He bought it from the original owner who raced it regularly , but , alas it was too tall for the mechanic, but just right for me! One of my quickest bikes, and handles very well . I even have the original jersey from the seventies that I wear when I ride it! Joe

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Spent the 70's living in New Mexico. Around 1974-75 started seeing Windsor bikes coming into the local market. It may have been one individual bringing them in. Not sure if they were coming from SoCal or Mexico or both.

Anyway, because they were being bootlegged in, local shops were reluctant to have any dealings with Windsors.

The all Campy Windsor Professionals offered a lot of bang for the buck but the cosmetics and workmanship were inconsistent back then. The lower priced Windsor models were even worse.

There were all kinds of fantasy stories about a connection between Windsor and Cinelli and so on.

Unfortunately Windsor suffered from the same image problems that affected the Mexican made Benottos: Hecho En Mexico!

@Manny66 Looks like you have a really nice example of a well built Windsor Professional.

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Thats a pretty good bike story and info you got to pass along. Thanks.

Back in the very early 80's at various times I had an oppurtunity to pick up a couple of Benottos , I Always passed on them because of the cracking bottom bracket shell stories. I wasnt going to pay for a potentially defective frame.I always thought they were Made in Italy until someone explained the Mexico connection. There was no Internet back then so it was always hard to get accurate information on bicycles and frame builders.Either way, Im still passing on Benottos but willing to give the Windsor a try.

The Windsor should be ready for a saturday test ride.
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