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Old 06-12-19, 10:56 AM
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Ciocc build experiment


Welcome to my "monster" build experiment, based on the Ciocc Designer 84 I could not trade away. It's juxtaposed here with the Raleigh Pro for comparison.

I bought the frameset from TimmyT last fall, a spur of the moment splurge inspired by the notion of having a bike with bars level with the saddle, without resorting to use of a "giraffe neck" stem.

The goal? To see if higher bars produce less stress and strain on my old and arthritic joints (neck, shoulder, elbows, wrists, etc.)

I'm building it as a 1x8 for now, with front brake only. If the experiment pans out, I'll do a full and proper 2x8 build, perhaps with the Ergos obtained from HazeTGuy.

I borrowed the stem and bars from my Mercian SS bike. Everything else will be leftover or orphaned odds and ends. Detail shots forthcoming.

Stay tuned for exciting updates!
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Old 06-12-19, 06:43 PM
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So, it has a "shortish" TT? And enough seat post showing so Bfers don't keep saying your bike is too big for you? Then it is all good. I keep getting big bikes that fit and find that sometimes, there is a lot of (imagined?) flex in the front end when I pull on the bars.
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Old 06-12-19, 08:06 PM
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I'm tuned in!

I have a designer 84 also and love it. I see yours has a few differences. Decals and then I've got fully chromed seatstays were as yours look painted and pantographed, cool! Oh and the fork too.

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I have the same frame. Will keep an eye on this Thread to give me inspiration to finish it up.
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Originally Posted by Classtime View Post
So, it has a "shortish" TT? And enough seat post showing so Bfers don't keep saying your bike is too big for you? Then it is all good. I keep getting big bikes that fit and find that sometimes, there is a lot of (imagined?) flex in the front end when I pull on the bars.
Yes, the TT is "shortish": 57cm. That was one of the reasons I decided to try it. Reach should be identical to my other bikes. The only thing that bugs me is the look of short stems. Kinda spoils the aesthetics, if you know what I mean. Perhaps I can afford a little more stretch, and longer stem, with relatively higher bars.

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I'm tuned in!

I have a designer 84 also and love it. I see yours has a few differences. Decals and then I've got fully chromed seatstays were as yours look painted and pantographed, cool! Oh and the fork too.
Seat stays are chrome, save for some paint at the seat tube lug. Just bad flash from my phone! What group is yours built with? I'm digging it, BTW.
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Old 06-13-19, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by horatio View Post
Yes, the TT is "shortish": 57cm. That was one of the reasons I decided to try it. Reach should be identical to my other bikes. The only thing that bugs me is the look of short stems. Kinda spoils the aesthetics, if you know what I mean. Perhaps I can afford a little more stretch, and longer stem, with relatively higher bars.



Seat stays are chrome, save for some paint at the seat tube lug. Just bad flash from my phone! What group is yours built with? I'm digging it, BTW.
Mine's a mix of parts with paint that's actually rough when you get close. I got it off the original owner who bought in Germany while stationed in the military. Shimanon 105/600 parts with yucky modern brifters and Campagnolo hubbed wheels.

Here's more pics of it for reference if you want.

https://pbase.com/jhuddle/ciocc_designer_84


I will say that despite being rough looking and my largest frame it sure is a good ride.
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Originally Posted by jamesdak View Post
Mine's a mix of parts with paint that's actually rough when you get close. I got it off the original owner who bought in Germany while stationed in the military. Shimanon 105/600 parts with yucky modern brifters and Campagnolo hubbed wheels.

Here's more pics of it for reference if you want.

https://pbase.com/jhuddle/ciocc_designer_84


I will say that despite being rough looking and my largest frame it sure is a good ride.
I thought those might be Sora STIs, just wasn't sure. Do they play well with the 105 RD?
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I thought those might be Sora STIs, just wasn't sure. Do they play well with the 105 RD?
Yes, I just find the thumb shifters worthless when I'm in the drops. Had them on another bike and got rid of them.
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Ready for trial ride on my "standard" route. I changed the angle to compare with the Raleigh Pro. Saddles are same height now. What say the BF crowd re: seat post? Definitely less than a "fistfull" showing! A brief (2 mile) ride a few minutes ago suggests good ergonomics, despite the large size. My shoulders and neck will tell more at ride's end. Stay tuned!

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Well, I try to never comment on someone's setup. Fit is a personal issue and as long as your comfortable on the bike I say go for it.

I ride bikes from 53cm to 57cm and the fit on all of them is the same based off positioning everything off the BB and crankarm lengths. My Ciocc is my largest.
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Well, I try to never comment on someone's setup. Fit is a personal issue and as long as your comfortable on the bike I say go for it.
I'm not much of a slave to fashion, but I do like cycling clothes over regular shorts and t-shirts. And clipless pedals, of course. The rat traps are just for convenience at the moment.

I ride bikes from 53cm to 57cm and the fit on all of them is the same based off positioning everything off the BB and crankarm lengths. My Ciocc is my largest.
That's how I set mine as well. It's funny because all my measurements are based on how I had my 56cm Basso set up. I've tried smaller frames, but 54 is about as small as I can manage because of toe overlap issues. If only I had smaller feet! It's interesting how the individual bike's geometry comes into play. I suppose the "shortish" TT accounts for my liking this frame so far. I'll report back after the short shakedown.
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Just got back from my standard shakedown route. The Ciocc has a really nice ride, comparable to the DeRosa and Gap, even though much larger. I had the typical headwind, but used my regular gear combinations. My average HR was about 10 points lower, which I thought odd. I was no faster, or slower, than usual, but that was not the point of the exercise. I wore my old shoes with SPD cleats and less rigid soles, but had no trouble maintaining my typical cadence, even with the platform pedals. However, the ride would have been better had I used some extra Looks, as my left foot kept creeping forward on the pedal. I'd have to say there was less complaint from aging joints. Lately the elbows have been protesting after about 45 minutes or so. Nothing today. I did notice some discomfort in my left shoulder/neck at the end of the ride, but my neck was not complaining at all. I suppose that's because I'm not straining it to maintain level gaze. The difference in bar height, compared to my other bikes, is only 30mm, or just over an inch. All other dimensions are equal. So far, I'd have to say a more upright riding position may be in my future, at least for longish rides. The bike is definitely a keeper. It's now a matter of how to build it!

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I used to ride a frame that I could barely stand over flatfooted Raleigh SuperCourse. Maybe a fistful of seatpost, tall head tube, stem slammed. I wasn't seeking an upright position, but a very stretched one. Loved it. Riding a longer wheelbase than I was used to invoked a feeling of great stability when rolling at speed (plus a heavier bike and its' 27" wheelset).
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