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Old 06-19-19, 11:55 PM
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1960 Fiorelli

This bike followed me home today. The seller was the second owner, who says the original owner claimed it to be a 1960 model. There seems to be very little info on the early non-Coppi Fiorellis.

This one has Campagnolo dropouts, derailleurs, and shifters, Magistroni BB and cranks, Balilla brakes, Record saddle, Sheffield 663 pedals with ALP clips (straps are unmarked), and Gnutti hubs with Fiamme 27" clincher rims. The brake levers are unmarked, so if anyone can shed some light on make and model, it would be greatly appreciated.

EDIT - I've determined this to be a 1959 model based on the Campagnolo stamping on the rear dropout and the adjuster screws on the rear derailleur. According to information I've found, both were changed for 1960.












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Old 06-20-19, 12:02 AM
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That is fabulous, well done!
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Earlier discussion thread on this cycle resides here -

Value and year of vintage Fiorelli


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At $200, I could not have gotten the money out of my pocket fast enough. Beautiful bike. Great buy. ENJOY!
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Originally Posted by alexander55 View Post
At $200, I could not have gotten the money out of my pocket fast enough. Beautiful bike. Great buy. ENJOY!
, +1 agreed.
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Goes to show a "mid-level" bike is fantastic. Stella spokes. All of the Campagnolo bits predate 1960. The Balilla levers and calipers are something you never see in the US, as with the Gnutti hubs. Great import.
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Man... that bike hits all my soft spots. It's wonderful. Maybe someday I'll come across a pre-bikeboom (USA) era race bicycle, or get the opportunity to ride one (at least). She's a charming little lady, that one.
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Based on some scans on Velobase. I think mine is the same era. When I found it it had a mix of parts, but probably original parts were a Grand Sport front derailleur, "No Record" hubs, shifters did not have d-rings, and BB cable guide had the full tunnel instead of being open.
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Mine seems slightly more recent

I was given the frame by a friend





I had to work hard and the worst was that the brake axle hole was not perpendicular to the fork head




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I prefer those shift levers to anything Campy did later. Everything there is wonderful. Little things like the bar tape could be better. I'd probably remove the rack just to show off the fenders more. But you don't have to. Go ride that bike.
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Old 07-06-19, 04:22 PM
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Probably iab is right about the age of the Campy bits. That does not mean your information about the bike being a 1960 model is wrong. Parts used to sit in inventory much longer. Bikes would sit as inventory much longer.
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Great find OP love the water bottle I had an entry level Fiorelli pass through my hands weld seem on bb but chromed lugs kinda cool. I couldn't find much either no Campy but other Italian bits like Balilla

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[QUOTE=Munny;21014140]Mine seems slightly more recent

I was given the frame by a friend




Reviving an old post > Great job, did you re-chrome forks and rear stays? Paint looks same so either you did so, or some kind of magic was used to on the chrome.
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Originally Posted by Munny View Post

I had to work hard and the worst was that the brake axle hole was not perpendicular to the fork head

What did you do to fix it?

I had the same problem, got a machinist friend to mill a new hole and press a sleeve in.
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Wow! About the same vintage as my Capos. Same one-piece integral crank and spider, nice 49-46 half-step (my favorite). Freewheel looks weird -- I would have expected 14-16-18-20-22 or 14-16-18-20-23, yours looks to be 14-15-17-20-22, or maybe it's just the camera angle. Paint is in great condition -- very nice find!
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Wow! About the same vintage as my Capos. Same one-piece integral crank and spider, nice 49-46 half-step (my favorite). Freewheel looks weird -- I would have expected 14-16-18-20-22 or 14-16-18-20-23, yours looks to be 14-15-17-20-22, or maybe it's just the camera angle. Paint is in great condition -- very nice find!
The freewheel is a 14-15-16-19-21. It's definitely not for hilly areas. Thankfully it's mostly flat in my area.

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Reviving an old post > Great job, did you re-chrome forks and rear stays? Paint looks same so either you did so, or some kind of magic was used to on the chrome.
I don't remember where I left that magic wand.
So, to reply I went back to my pictures posted here https://veloretrocourse.proboards.co...a-coppi?page=2
Sorry, it's written in French but there are online translators.

So yes, I do partial rechrome.
You need a GOOOOD chrome shop. Not one applying it with paintbrush.
You need PRECISE instruction for the shop, otherwhise... and even then...
I limit the area that I want to be dealt with : Paint on chrome doesn't work well... although I succeeded with a cromovelato on my Galmozzi

Then the paint.
This is a kind of colored varnish on a silver background. Not easy and requiring extra attention to fade the new paint with the old one.
There is a special product to fade paint together but even so, far from easy.

And to answer to the next question, I was badly surprised by the bad Italian framing quality.
Some frame maker are of very high standards but some others ... even well respected name ...

If I limit my correction to the fork alone...
(all correction to perform before the chrome work)
Bear in mind that the bike was bought as running by my friend who dismantled it and kept the component before giving me the frame
- Had to push out the left leg
- Push back the right leg of the fork (You need an alignement tool to do this and I was able to get access to one)
- With a file, correct one of the dropout which was not brazed in a good position. Otherwhise a small gap would stay behind the wheel axle on one side)
- The brake hole. I assume that the twisted legs were a way to deal with the hole not straight...
I used a file. No insert because I did not expect the brake to move from straight to the side. This would need more lenght of the brake rod.
- the place where the lower cup of the headset is sitting
a) too large and requiring a speacial tool to get the diameter back to normal (my Cobra tool was not helping)
b) cutting the seat to perpendicular to the tube
- Cutting back to perpendicular the 2 faces of the head tube

All this should have been dealt with when the frame was made.
I hope that you have better luck with your Fiorelli and that mine was a "special"...
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Very cool bike. I found a totally different type of import from the same era. See here.

I bring this up because I found this bike in Evanston IL with an Evanston registration plate.




I guess a few years later the city changed to a sticker.



Makes me want to start a new thread “show me your registration plate/sticker” 😀

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Here's a similar Fiorelli that a friend sold last year. We guessed that this one was from about 1961. Interesting lugs.






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