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Old 08-10-19, 11:22 AM
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Eisentraut Touring ~ The Build Thread

NOTE: OP's posts prior to 8/15/19 have been edited (reduced text & photos) to promote a concise thread.


January of this year 2019, with the help of certain BF C&V members, I lucked into an Eisentraut Limited Touring frame.






In the past 7 months I’ve made build plans, revised build plans, saved for parts, hunted parts, procured parts, changed my mind about parts, sold parts to acquire different parts.... And all the while, the frame lay waiting in pretty much the exact spot as pictured above, day after day.

Ever anxious to transform this lovely handcrafted bicycle frame into an actual machine, roll it through town, and to take it for a weekend spin out into the country, the time has finally come! Plans are cinched up, parts are collected, and all but a few finishing touches or final details are nailed down.

Hence this post, the build thread, as I’ve very much been looking forward to sharing the experience of this project with all of you.

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Old 08-10-19, 11:58 AM
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Exciting! Can't wait to see it built up.
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Anxious to see it! I was thrilled for you when you landed the frame, so I’ll be watching this thread eagerly.
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Originally Posted by TenGrainBread View Post
Exciting! Can't wait to see it built up.
Originally Posted by noobinsf View Post
Anxious to see it! I was thrilled for you when you landed the frame, so I’ll be watching this thread eagerly.
Thanks you two.

The fact that I’ve never built a bike from the frame up makes this project all the more exciting for me.

-- -- --

I should mention that I took care of two initial tasks last March.


First, to keep the frame as rust free as possible, I decided it hit with a good dose of Frame Saver.





Next, was the Tange Levin headset. A Co-Op find which was caked in hard grease, and mud when I bought it. But it was complete, and once cleaned, it appeared practically brand new. Careful use of a large lag bolt, and washers did the trick. Also got the crown race nicely seated. Other than these two operations, the frame has sat untouched for the past 7 months.




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Old 08-11-19, 04:18 AM
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Ed Litton worked together with Albert Eisentraut (but not on the Limited frames). He may still have some replacement Limited decals.

Some of the Limiteds may have been built by Bruce Gordon. They were "production" frames and as such were a team effort.

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Wow!
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Very cool. You have some strong self control and patience.
I would have never been able to let that frame sit for a month...let alone half a year.
Good luck with your build. I love these kind of threads.
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Nice project would you mind sharing some photos and stories with the American Built Frames Only group on Facebook , Thanks !
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Nice. Looking forward to seeing how this shapes up. Not that it matters much, but is that the original paint?
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Originally Posted by verktyg View Post
Ed Litton worked together with Albert Eisentraut (but not on the Limited frames). He may still have some replacement Limited decals.

Some of the Limiteds may have been built by Bruce Gordon. They were "production" frames and as such were a team effort.

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Thank you for mentioning Ed Litton. I’d heard his name here on C&V before, but have remained unfamiliar. A quick google search shows he’s a notable figure!

I was aware that Bruce Gordon was involved with the production of the Limited. And I’ve heard that when asked, he stated that he couldn’t even tell which frames he’d had his hands on or not. I feel like that statement speaks to a high level of quality control in the Eisentraut shop.

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Slight off topic, and focused on the standard Limited, but I found this ‘76 Bicycling review interesting...




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Originally Posted by mountaindave View Post
Wow!
Stay tuned Dave! I hope you have a good supply of popcorn...

Originally Posted by Essthreetee View Post
Very cool. You have some strong self control and patience.

I would have never been able to let that frame sit for a month...let alone half a year.

Good luck with your build. I love these kind of threads.
Thanks. I think that limited time, and money have probably factored into the 7 month wait more so than any notable amount of self control or patience.

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Nice. Looking forward to seeing how this shapes up. Not that it matters much, but is that the original paint?
While I can’t be certain, I believe the paint is original. The Ivory cutouts are one clue. Also where there is damage, I don’t see any indication of a repaint.



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Cool frame and good looking build.
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Headset tip -

The Tange Levin would look better assembled if the ends of the head tube were chamfer cut.

This permits the head cups to seat slightly deeper with less of a gap between them and the horizontal edge of the lug.


VAR offered a chamfer cutter for their head mill. Do not know about other head mill makers.

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Originally Posted by mississippimud View Post
Nice project would you mind shahring some photos and stories with the American Built Frames Only group on Facebook , Thanks !
Thanks for asking. Perhaps when she’s all built up.


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Headset tip -

The Tange Levin would look better assembled if the ends of the head tube were chamfer cut.

This permits the head cups to seat slightly deeper with less of a gap between them and the horizontal edge of the lug.


VAR offered a chamfer cutter for their head mill. Do not know about other head mill makers.

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Great tip for someone who can afford a VAR head mill, or who might have access to one. However I could live happy with it as it is.


— — —


As planned, I’m kick starting this project today. I’m hoping to get bearings in the headset, install the fork, and bottom bracket. If there’s enough time left, I may start rebuilding the hubs.

Meanwhile, got a Sram PC-850 soaking in mineral spirits. Couple of seat post parts soaking in oxalic acid. And slowly flushing out the freewheel with WD for starters.

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So far so good for the day’s plans. Got a smooth spinning headset, and bottom bracket.

I’m waiting on a package this week which will be incorporated into the headset, so I’ll leave the locknut off, and wait for final adjustment until then...






As for the bottom bracket, it was procured from the Co-Op as well. I had to dig through two 5 gal. buckets full of cups, and spindles to piece it together. An extra bonus that all the bearing surfaces were smooth, and shiny!



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Nice. Love the bb you pieced together.

What's going on the steerer? Cable hanger for centerpulls? Decaleur?

If you have a pin spanner I would see if you can disassemble that freewheel and get some new grease in there. Peace of mind. Just make sure to pull apart over a bucket so you can catch the bearings.
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While fiddlin’ around with the bottom bracket shell, I noticed the serial number seems to confirm a 1976 build date. Anyone familiar with Eisentraut serial numbers?





And finally, the results of today’s “labor” so far... An actual frameset!


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Nice. Love the bb you pieced together.

What's going on the steerer? Cable hanger for centerpulls? Decaleur?

If you have a pin spanner I would see if you can disassemble that freewheel and get some new grease in there. Peace of mind. Just make sure to pull apart over a bucket so you can catch the bearings.
Thank you. The bb should be a perfect mate for the crankset. Banking on a good chainline... we'll see!

And you guessed it... got a decaluer on the way

The FW is a New Winner. I’m not sure I want to dink around with trying to open it up without the special tool made for ‘em. Otherwise, I completely get where you’re coming from. The plan is to soak it in mineral spirits after the initial flush, and then follow that cleaning up with a final soak in a proper lubricant. Mystery Marvel Oil was one suggestion given so far.


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While the wheelset I’ll be using is smooth, and long spinning, I was tempted to let ‘em ride... But I decided to open the front hub to check things out just to be sure. Glad I did too since conditions are looking dry there. We’ll go ahead and rebuild the rear hub as well then.

Currently contemplating if I want to risk damaging the dust caps in an attempt to remove them, or just clean things out as best as I can, and repack them as is...

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Yea, no need to pop the dust caps. Managed to reach underneath them with a bent q-tip. Ran a chopstick wrapped in a rag down the length of the hub too. Things are all clean in there...

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Front hub went back together last night. And this morning, I took the rear outside to rebuild it there. Adjusted both hubs to smoothness with only a hairs width of play for QR mounting.





Then it was off to shop for a few supplies for tasks ahead.

Anyhow, the wheels which were a CL find, are slated for some minor trueness tuning this evening. Record hubs laced to Mavic MA40 rims with DT spokes. Brake tracks are in good shape with only the anodizing being lost to wear. They should have many miles left in them.

And after this evening’s true up, I’ll have a wheelset ready to go with frameset.


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Originally Posted by deux jambes View Post
Thank you. The bb should be a perfect mate for the crankset. Banking on a good chainline... we'll see!

And you guessed it... got a decaluer on the way

The FW is a New Winner. I’m not sure I want to dink around with trying to open it up without the special tool made for ‘em. Otherwise, I completely get where you’re coming from. The plan is to soak it in mineral spirits after the initial flush, and then follow that cleaning up with a final soak in a proper lubricant. Mystery Marvel Oil was one suggestion given so far.


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While the wheelset I’ll be using is smooth, and long spinning, I was tempted to let ‘em ride... But I decided to open the front hub to check things out just to be sure. Glad I did too since conditions are looking dry there. We’ll go ahead and rebuild the rear hub as well then.

Currently contemplating if I want to risk damaging the dust caps in an attempt to remove them, or just clean things out as best as I can, and repack them as is...
Freewheels normally have grease..... but I have had good luck using Phil's Tenacious oil with old freewheels, smooths them out and makes them very quiet. I just put the freewheel small side down and dribble the oil around the seam and let gravity do it's job. so I recommend Phil's
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Originally Posted by deux jambes View Post
Thank you. The bb should be a perfect mate for the crankset. Banking on a good chainline... we'll see!

And you guessed it... got a decaluer on the way

The FW is a New Winner. I’m not sure I want to dink around with trying to open it up without the special tool made for ‘em. Otherwise, I completely get where you’re coming from. The plan is to soak it in mineral spirits after the initial flush, and then follow that cleaning up with a final soak in a proper lubricant. Mystery Marvel Oil was one suggestion given so far.


— — —


While the wheelset I’ll be using is smooth, and long spinning, I was tempted to let ‘em ride... But I decided to open the front hub to check things out just to be sure. Glad I did too since conditions are looking dry there. We’ll go ahead and rebuild the rear hub as well then.

Currently contemplating if I want to risk damaging the dust caps in an attempt to remove them, or just clean things out as best as I can, and repack them as is...
The Marvel is the initial fill and soak, it has some great cleaning properties. 50wt motor oil is my go to hack for lube. I also sometimes will warm the freewheel and inject grease with a hypodermic. None of this is meant to be a proper service but the Suntours are as tough as they come and will usually keep going even if you do nothing so this method has never caused any catastrophic failures.
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