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Old 08-10-19, 07:42 PM
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My neighbor's Serotta broke yesterday

I have no pics to show. He was out riding his steel-frame Serotta when the drive-side dropout snapped where the adjustment screws goes through. Some of you have met him on C&V rides we have done. Fortunately he was not hurt but the bike didn't come out too well. The RD caught the spokes, snapped one, pulled another spoke out of the nipple, bent the RD cage. The cage can probably be bent back into shape. The wheel will take some fixin' but it's doable. I suggested he take the frame to Peter Mooney who is only about a mile and a half away.

In the meantime, he needs a bike. I lent him my Grandis. He is about my size. He did a test ride around the block(s) and said it felt just like his Super Course. (What? You gotta' be kidding, Larry. The Grandis is a twitchy hard-riding go kart! Well, maybe his Serotta was too so it feels normal.) He'll swap in his pedals, remove the front bag.

We spent some time after that drinkin' some really good beer. He provided the beer.
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Scary. You are a good friend.

That's an odd break - - any chance the derailleur got caught in the spokes before the DO cracked?
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Jim,
Sorry to hear about that but glad he is alright and still riding...a break there is not that uncommon, probably the weakest point on the drop due to the stress and lack of material due to the hole drilled for the adjustment screw.
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Scary. You are a good friend.

That's an odd break - - any chance the derailleur got caught in the spokes before the DO cracked?
We've been good friends and neighbors for a long time. We have keys to each other's houses.

It's possible the RD caught the wheel and that's what broke the DO. Doesn't really matter at this point. It's busted and needs fixin'.
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What year is your friend's Serotta? (Serotta and Peter Mooney go a long ways back.) If my Mooney broke its dropout, well, sad but I'd just have to get it or them replaced. (If it has go go, go soon, before the soon-to-be new paint.)

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Old 08-10-19, 09:07 PM
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Man, really sorry to hear that! Glad he was ok, though. Glad also for your friendship. Break a nice frame, break some other parts, know there will be some money involved in making it whole again, know that it's doable without too much trouble, and finish the start of that endeavor with some good beer. That's the best way to end the day after something like that happens, IMO.
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Wait, I thought it’s just CF frames that are just waiting to break and are unsafe to ride at any speed.
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Wait, I thought it’s just CF frames that are just waiting to break and are unsafe to ride at any speed.
Since this is the 2nd steel frame to break in a week here on BF, I suspect a conspiracy.
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Since this is the 2nd steel frame to break in a week here on BF, I suspect a conspiracy.
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Originally Posted by jimmuller View Post
I have no pics to show. He was out riding his steel-frame Serotta when the drive-side dropout snapped where the adjustment screws goes through. Some of you have met him on C&V rides we have done. Fortunately he was not hurt but the bike didn't come out too well. The RD caught the spokes, snapped one, pulled another spoke out of the nipple, bent the RD cage. The cage can probably be bent back into shape. The wheel will take some fixin' but it's doable. I suggested he take the frame to Peter Mooney who is only about a mile and a half away.

In the meantime, he needs a bike. I lent him my Grandis. He is about my size. He did a test ride around the block(s) and said it felt just like his Super Course. (What? You gotta' be kidding, Larry. The Grandis is a twitchy hard-riding go kart! Well, maybe his Serotta was too so it feels normal.) He'll swap in his pedals, remove the front bag.

We spent some time after that drinkin' some really good beer. He provided the beer.
You're a top notch C&V cyclist, and the best friend a C&V cyclist can be to a fellow enthusiast with a sick Serotta. You kept a friend riding when frustrated. And were a gentleman at his best. We should all emulate you. Like x 10,000.
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Funny, I keep thinking I'm going to break my Grandis, what with all the mishaps, crashes and abuse I've heaped on it. And how inappropriately flexy it is under my modest 200 weight

I guess I need to get a Serotta, and really eff it up
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I guess I need to get a Serotta, and really eff it up

Go big or stay home.
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Originally Posted by Kent T View Post
You're a top notch C&V cyclist, and the best friend a C&V cyclist can be to a fellow enthusiast with a sick Serotta. You kept a friend riding when frustrated. And were a gentleman at his best. We should all emulate you. Like x 10,000.
Thank you for the kind words. Larry would do the same for me, and anyway, I have other bikes to ride. Better he rides it than that it stays in the basement.

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Funny, I keep thinking I'm going to break my Grandis, what with all the mishaps, crashes and abuse I've heaped on it. And how inappropriately flexy it is under my modest 200 weight
Hmm, mine isn't flexy at all. It is the stiffest and hard-riding-est bike in my modest collection. But then, I'm only 160lbs.

Larry goes out riding on workday mornings before starting his workday. I saw him yesterday. He raved about how it felt. "Real sweet!" were his words. I guess his Serotta rode about the same.
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High end racing bicycles are all about saving grams and in the process, paring down the safety margin. If some of these bikes didn't break once in a while, they were over built. We are not talking about a Schwinn of years ago with a lifetime warranty. It is a hand built racing bike made to be marginally better, lighter and faster than production bikes. Whether it is carbon fiber or steel, the builder are still trying to stretch the limits.

I know that is a weird way to think about it but it is true.

I'm I am glad you friend is Ok after the incident. I had a Serotta. I know if this happened to me, hearing that it is made to be light and all would still be tough because my beloved Serotta is damaged and unrideable. It can be fixed though.
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Originally Posted by jimmuller View Post
I have no pics to show. He was out riding his steel-frame Serotta when the drive-side dropout snapped where the adjustment screws goes through. Some of you have met him on C&V rides we have done. Fortunately he was not hurt but the bike didn't come out too well. The RD caught the spokes, snapped one, pulled another spoke out of the nipple, bent the RD cage. The cage can probably be bent back into shape. The wheel will take some fixin' but it's doable. I suggested he take the frame to Peter Mooney who is only about a mile and a half away.

In the meantime, he needs a bike. I lent him my Grandis. He is about my size. He did a test ride around the block(s) and said it felt just like his Super Course. (What? You gotta' be kidding, Larry. The Grandis is a twitchy hard-riding go kart! Well, maybe his Serotta was too so it feels normal.) He'll swap in his pedals, remove the front bag.

We spent some time after that drinkin' some really good beer. He provided the beer.
anything that ends with no injuries (except the bike) and really good beer it not all bad
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but. but. but...
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PM me if you live in or near the Portland OR/Vancouver, WA area; I have replaced @80-120 dropouts over the last bunch of years and have a good stock of them as well as the skill to do the job. If you want to have the job done by a former Serotta builder, I hear Dave Kirk (Montana, I think) does some repairs.
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Originally Posted by Velo Mule View Post
High end racing bicycles are all about saving grams and in the process, paring down the safety margin. If some of these bikes didn't break once in a while, they were over built. We are not talking about a Schwinn of years ago with a lifetime warranty. It is a hand built racing bike made to be marginally better, lighter and faster than production bikes. Whether it is carbon fiber or steel, the builder are still trying to stretch the limits.

I know that is a weird way to think about it but it is true.

I'm I am glad you friend is Ok after the incident. I had a Serotta. I know if this happened to me, hearing that it is made to be light and all would still be tough because my beloved Serotta is damaged and unrideable. It can be fixed though.
If it breaks, it's too light. If it doesn't break, it's too heavy.

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PM me if you live in or near the Portland OR/Vancouver, WA area; I have replaced @80-120 dropouts over the last bunch of years and have a good stock of them as well as the skill to do the job. If you want to have the job done by a former Serotta builder, I hear Dave Kirk (Montana, I think) does some repairs.
Thanks for that, but we live at the other end of US Rt 20.
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Larry got his bike back from Peter Mooney. New dropout. He is happy.

And he gave me back my Grandis.
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Pretty quick turn around on a repair like that. Peter Mooney is among the best.

Now, important ! Brian Baylis, who had seen a few steel bikes, said the #1 cause of frames failing at the dropout was mis-alignment and / or rear dropouts that are spread apart to accommodate w ider axles without re-alignment.

Since he has a newly repaired bike, he should adjust / cold set the DO width to match his rear wheel and then align the DO faces. Easy to do.

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