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Somewhat seldom seen Italian brand rescue- Lazzaretti

Old 10-23-19, 05:33 AM
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Looks great! It's amazing what a simple soap & water bath with a toothbrush can do. Just getting the grime out of all the seams (especially the lugs) can make a frame look brand new, even without wax and polishing.

Nice selection on the cable housing color. Did you wrap over the existing bar tape for extra padding, or double up on new tape? I noticed the remnant of what looks like Cyclolinea finishing tape is still on the bars.
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Old 10-23-19, 07:03 AM
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I wrapped over the existing cloth tape for a bit more padding, and did leave a remnant of the original finishing tape showing. A bit of a nod to the previous owner who died early
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Old 11-02-19, 04:36 PM
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I have the bike up on the CV sales site at this point. Iím moving bikes along that either wonít see much use or are not the right size for me. This one falls into the latter category.
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Old 11-15-19, 07:51 PM
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Iíve had a few people contact me with their thoughts that this is a Galmozzi build. A couple of links were forwarded that talked about Galmozzi built Lazzarettis.
I took a flyer and reached out to the Lazzaretti shop in Rome to see if they might be able to shed some light on this, one way or another. Using an internet English to Italian translation program, I sent a few photos and description.
After a few rounds of translations and photos (and apologies for my total lack of Italian ), they came back and told me that yes, this bike is actually a late 1960ís Galmozzi built frame, badged and sold as a Lazzaretti.
Hearing that made my morning!

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Late 60's early 70's Lazzaretti Galmozzi

I'm now the proud owner of the Lazzaretti.

orcas island and I did a horse trade... he got a bike his size and I got this sleek beauty.



I replaced the old sewups for now with an NOS set of mid 70's wheels with 700c Super Champion Gentleman rims and Campy SF hubs. I mounted some 700 x 25c Continental Grand Prix Classics tires. Used a 13-28 5 speed Regina Oro freewheel. I also put on a NOS 1973 Brooks Pro saddle in place of the old Unicanitor.

This is definitely a Galmozzi built frame with rooster stamped into the seat tube and lots of little touches that show the fine workmanship like on these dropouts.




Galmozzi rooster stamped into the seat tube.





I've cleaned it up a lot more since I took these photos plus did some touch up on the paint chips.

The bike was supposed to be a 56cm??? When I first measured it with a pocket tape, it looked like that to me. I need to get my prescription changed because it's a 58.5cm (23") frame - center to top with a with a 57cm (22.5") top tube.

A 57cm is about as big a frame as I can ride and this bike would be too big for me except for the low 10 3/8" bottom bracket height. I can just squeak over the top tube.

The long wheel base and long fork rake plus the Columbus SL tubing make for a cushy ride, it handles great!

It had a 27.0mm seatpost which would suggest Columbus SP. When I looked at the rear of the seat lug I saw that it was clamped undersize. I ran a hone down the seat tube and found 2 small high spots that I cleaned up with a reamer. A 27.2 seatpost now fits perfect.



I took it out for a few short rides but need to wait for the weather to clear a bit to get some miles on it.

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Old 12-15-19, 08:11 AM
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The original rims Duralca?
could not see tha labels but they looked on the wider side and did not have eyelets I could see.

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I'm now the proud owner of the Lazzaretti.


I took it out for a few short rides but need to wait for the weather to clear a bit to get some miles on it.

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I'll be seeing this on the Ironhorse?
You Betcha!

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The original rims Duralca?
could not see tha labels but they looked on the wider side and did not have eyelets I could see.

Handsome bike.


No markings or labels. At first I thought that they were Nisi rims because of the sidewall knurling and lack of spoke eyelets but the serrations are too close together.

They measure 21mm wide. There's very little sign of wear so they must not have been ridden much.



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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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Galmozzi & Ideor, among others, made use of the Agrati "AM" pattern lugs, ART. 000.8040/E/U, with this same added cutout.

The feature cut on the lugs of the subject bicycle somewhat resembles the Agrati "AM" pattern whilst the nozzle cut does not.

The nozzle cut on the bicycle resembles that of the Agrati "ROMA" pattern, ART. 000.8020/E/U.

Possible this pattern was withdrawn prior to the cycle's manufacture. Or perhaps it was special order.

It is not shown in an Agrati catalogue of ca. 1970.

Agrati "ROMA" pattern; note nozzle cut -




Agrati "AM" pattern, standard configuration, note feature cut -




Agrati "AM" pattern lugs on Ideor bicycle w/cutout -




BOCAMA produced a forged semi-sloping crown with the same cutout, employed on Ideor cycles -






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Would the Agrati lugs come in different thicknesses? The reason I am asking is because I have a Galmozzi from the same time frame the only difference between the two bikes is the thickness of the lugs. Or perhaps mine were filed down more, not sure.
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Agrati Lugs

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Would the Agrati lugs come in different thicknesses? The reason I am asking is because I have a Galmozzi from the same time frame the only difference between the two bikes is the thickness of the lugs. Or perhaps mine were filed down more, not sure.
Yes and yes... Parts is parts, lugs back then were made of stamped and formed sheet metal and/or drawn tubing. Quality control was not a big deal.



Also a Galmozzi made for another seller (the Cicli Lazzaretti shop in Rome for example) may not have had the same attention to detail as one of their own badged frames. On the other hand since these were hand crafted frames built one at a time, variances would be normal.

Heavily thinned lugs became more common into the 1970's. Modern thinned lugs are almost always precision investment cast. Building a frame with these kind of lugs is a WHOLE LOT less work.




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56 Lazzaretti restoration

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It isn't a lug I recognize. I'm going to assume the decoration in front was a simple drill hole and hacksaw cut to add a little distinction. After I learned how to build frames in England in 1975 I visited frame builders in Italy in 1977 looking for any tips. In Parma was a wholesale distributor of frame building supplies where the owner spoke some English. What I discovered was a lot of inventory of frame building materials that nobody brought into the States. It is possible that Lazzeretti's builder chose a particular style lug set from a lug manufacturer to represent their brand. Also lugs can have a very long shelf life before they are used. I built an example frame in my last frame building class using lugs that were at least 30 years old. I still have many lugs from the 50's/70's which I occasionally use.

While my memory of my personal Lazzeretti is suspect since I sold it in the early 70's, what I recall is that it used standard long point lugs that might have been or similar to Prugnat.
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if you get this Rich Gangl has just completed the frame restoration of my 1956 Lazzaretti. Monday weíll be mounting the period correct parts Iíve spent two years collecting. The lugs are Agrati ROMA lugs similar to those in my 1963 Galmozzi. Both of these bikes were sold out of the Lazzarettiís Rome shop but built under contract elsewhere. The Lazzaretti builder is unknown but wasnít Galmozzi despite the similar lugs. The original paint was metallic gold and itís possible (Olympic decals) the frame was a special display celebrating the victory of Ercole Baldini in the individual road race at the 1956 Melbourne Olympics.
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Originally Posted by Mark Swofford View Post
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if you get this Rich Gangl has just completed the frame restoration of my 1956 Lazzaretti. Monday weíll be mounting the period correct parts Iíve spent two years collecting. The lugs are Agrati ROMA lugs similar to those in my 1963 Galmozzi. Both of these bikes were sold out of the Lazzarettiís Rome shop but built under contract elsewhere. The Lazzaretti builder is unknown but wasnít Galmozzi despite the similar lugs. The original paint was metallic gold and itís possible (Olympic decals) the frame was a special display celebrating the victory of Ercole Baldini in the individual road race at the 1956 Melbourne Olympics.
The last time I talked to Rich recently, we talked about Lazzarettis. I was surprised he knew what they were and he was surprised I bought one new in Rome in 68.
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The last time I talked to Rich recently, we talked about Lazzarettis. I was surprised he knew what they were and he was surprised I bought one new in Rome in 68.

Hi Doug

Rich is pretty stoked about this bike, more than the other restorations heís done. He says itís gotta be the best Lazzaretti in the country. The parts are 1958 or older Campy parts then in production. This is going to be his and my last vintage restoration. Itís been a challenge to get affordable parts in reasonable condition for this period. You need some luck. Example: somehow I ended up with a vintage Campy seatpost I canít find was ever built. Itís an interim version probably only a few made. It has an alloy head and post pressed together like the older steel and hybrid steel/alloy ones and preceding the one piece alloy version. I have no idea where I got this.


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