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Somewhat seldom seen Italian brand rescue- Lazzaretti

Old 09-07-19, 11:17 AM
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Somewhat obscure Italian brand rescue- Lazzaretti







I definitely have an illness. After having picked up a Peugeot PSN-10 ( Cinco- thanks for the ID!) from an estate sale earlier in the week, I had to go back for another neglected bike that came out of the shed there. I need this like a hole in the head!

There isnít too much info on the web about this Italian brand, but I gather that it is from a small builder in Rome that is still in business.
The story on this one is that the husband had this frame custom made in 1971 while visiting Italy with a group of friends. After their tour there, he disassembled the bike and had each of his buddies bring home several parts of it in their luggage. After reassembly it was used for a tour of the entire Calif coast, and club rides in the Palo Alto area.
Like the Peugeot, it hadn't been ridden in years and was left to molder in a shed.
Here are a few photos after a fast initial wipe down and de-gunking. It is an all Campy build (minus the Universal model 68 side pulls). There is no tubing sticker in the frame, but Iím guessing that the 27.0 seatpost might indicate Columbus tubing?
Iíll start rebuilding bearings in the evenings and doing a more thorough clean up as time goes on. Not sure what to do with the wheels; Iím not versed in using sew-up tires....
Anyway; some quick photos above ^

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Old 09-07-19, 11:24 AM
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Probably amongst others, but SP tubing is 27.0. Looks close to a 58 which was around the size SL was swapped for SP. I think it was @T-Mar that ID'd that on my Guerciotti. If you don't want it, I'll swap for something
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Wow, thatís a cool find and great story. I donít blame you a bit for going back for it.
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The frame size is 56 ctc with an 82cm standover; just at my upper limit. A French fit for sure! Iím going to have to try to track down a pair of brake hoods for those Universal levers. Does anyone have a source for originals or repops?

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Old 09-07-19, 11:41 AM
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The head badge is interesting. Apparently that is a representation of one of the Lazzaretti brothers who started the shop (the other brother was a successful racer). Underneath his likeness is that of the mythical wolf nursing Romulus and Remus, the founders of Rome. Odd but cool headbadge!

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Originally Posted by orcas island View Post
The frame size is 56 ctc, just at my upper limit. A French fit for sure! I’m going to have to try to track down a pair of brake hoods for those Universal levers. Does anyone have a source for originals or rep ops?
Very cool, great find, story, et all. Custom, well made, rare, relatively obscure/not well know (all the better imo) = fantastic!

This would become an immediate keeper for me, if it was a 58, you would have another interested party right now.

And smuggled back into the US piece by piece to boot!

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Old 09-07-19, 12:37 PM
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Hey! The seatpost and stem came right out; huzzah! I was afraid that they would be semi stuck buggers like the ones on the Peugeot. Off to a good start here...

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Old 09-07-19, 12:46 PM
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I bought a Lazzeratti at their shop in Rome for just over $100 in 1968. It was flam orange with chrome lugs. Their top model was around $160. Still mine had alloy Campy cranks and Columbus tubes. This was the era when it was still common to have steel cranks with alloy chainrings. I think the brakes were Universal 68's. It has been too long to exactly remember but I think the hubs were Tipo instead of Record. The rear derailleur to the best of my memory was the steel Record that I swapped out for an aluminum one when I got back home. Eventually about 5 years later I sold it to one of my high school students. Not long afterward he sold it to someone else I didn't know so I'll probably never know what happened to it. It is one I wish I still had just for the memory.

My impression is that they didn't make frames at the retail store in Rome but I don't know for sure. It wasn't all the big of a store. I'm curious where or who really made them. In England it was common that a builder would make frames for a variety of retail shops having the brand name of the retail shop instead of the builder.
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Obscure brand, cool head badge = win/win
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Interesting, your thought about them possibly not building their own frames. Conversely, I read someoneís thought on the web that they may have been involved in that same sort of contract building and supplying frames for other well known Italian brands. I wish more info was out there about this brand...
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My buddy picked one up last year, maybe an early eighties. I'll try to get a picture of it. Good find.
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Wonderful find; all the better to get the background information as well!

No doubt, member @MauriceMoss shall be able to enlighten us further regarding this marque...

The forum has had a number of threads on cycles of this badge. If wished, you could employ the search function to bring them up...

They are not so scarce as some might suggest.


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Old 09-07-19, 02:36 PM
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Very Galmozzi ish.
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Old 09-07-19, 03:21 PM
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Very Galmozzi ish.
I took a look at some Galmozzi photos on the forum, and the lugs look similar to some of them. Particularly the headtube legs with the horizontal slice and circle design. Were these in common use by many Italian builders at that time?
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It looks like a very "utilitarian" Galmozzi.
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I didnít mean to suggest this was a Galmozzi; just wondered if this type of lug had a name, and if they were in common use in the early Ď70s?

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Originally Posted by orcas island View Post
... just wondered if this type of lug had a name, and if they were in common use in the early ‘70s?
It isn't a lug I recognize. I'm going to assume the decoration in front was a simple drill hole and hacksaw cut to add a little distinction. After I learned how to build frames in England in 1975 I visited frame builders in Italy in 1977 looking for any tips. In Parma was a wholesale distributor of frame building supplies where the owner spoke some English. What I discovered was a lot of inventory of frame building materials that nobody brought into the States. It is possible that Lazzeretti's builder chose a particular style lug set from a lug manufacturer to represent their brand. Also lugs can have a very long shelf life before they are used. I built an example frame in my last frame building class using lugs that were at least 30 years old. I still have many lugs from the 50's/70's which I occasionally use.

While my memory of my personal Lazzeretti is suspect since I sold it in the early 70's, what I recall is that it used standard long point lugs that might have been or similar to Prugnat.
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Old 09-07-19, 06:27 PM
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Nice find! I wonder who won a world championship on one in that they used the colors with their decals?
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Galmozzi & Ideor, among others, made use of the Agrati "AM" pattern lugs, ART. 000.8040/E/U, with this same added cutout.

The feature cut on the lugs of the subject bicycle somewhat resembles the Agrati "AM" pattern whilst the nozzle cut does not.

The nozzle cut on the bicycle resembles that of the Agrati "ROMA" pattern, ART. 000.8020/E/U.

Possible this pattern was withdrawn prior to the cycle's manufacture. Or perhaps it was special order.

It is not shown in an Agrati catalogue of ca. 1970.

Agrati "ROMA" pattern; note nozzle cut -




Agrati "AM" pattern, standard configuration, note feature cut -




Agrati "AM" pattern lugs on Ideor bicycle w/cutout -




BOCAMA produced a forged semi-sloping crown with the same cutout, employed on Ideor cycles -






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^ I am constantly amazed at the amount of information that folks on this forum possess!

Just noticed that the Silca frame pump is embossed with the Lazzaretti name. Cool shop water bottle also.

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Bottle appears to be Allara /AL-E.

Should be so marked on its underside.


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Bingo!
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Not sure what to do with the wheels; I’m not versed in using sew-up tires....
That bike looks very worthy to me.

I'd say keep the wheels and replace the tires. That assumes the rims and hubs are in good shape.

You will have some fun with sew ups. The down side is higher initial cost and repairing punctures is more difficult. The up side is premium tires ride really, really well and they will keep the bike authentic.

I would not do anything that threatens the patina that bike has, not even over-zealous cleaning. New brake hoods, new bar tape, maybe a light leather treatment on the saddle skin, other than that LEAVE IT ALONE!
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That is good advice about the wheels. Clean up is just going to involve removing 40 years worth of road grease with WD-40 and a soft rag and a toothbrush, a little Meguiars polish on the frame, and clean up and regreasing all of the bikes bearings
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Really nice find: High quality bike from a small shop with decals in good shape and a great headbadge!
I never had tubular tires when I was a kid, but have enjoyed them on three different vintage bikes I have been riding on lately.
Thought this article on how to deal with them was particularly good: https://jimlangley.net/wrench/tubular.html
And there are several brands of gumwall "training" tubulars that are a reasonable cost and look great: I've used Continental Giro 700x22 and Vittoria Rally 700x25, but there are some other brands as well that I haven't tried. If you go to the high end, they can get pretty expensive of course, but to me the low end tubulars ride as nice as high end clinchers, at half the price.
I carry a can of Vittoria Pit Stop with me in case of flat, but to my surprise haven't had to use it yet.
Have to confess my first effort or two installing them was a bit rough, but got them on, they worked fine, and haven't really had any problems since.
FWIW.
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