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Old 09-27-19, 07:22 AM
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I've done a fair number of favors for people in this community, and I've had a fair number done for me. It's a group of enablers, and we have a common bond. We advance the hobby, we preserve, and enjoy, something we care about, and we have some fun en route. Folks like (not giving examples because I'll miss someone) _____ make this place an oasis from the rat race.

But I'm mostly in it for the dating potential.
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Why not? I like bikes.
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Because of Chris A.

Since then, I’ve tried to help where I can.
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Yes, it's great in C&V community. I have never been involved with a group as supportive and enthusiastic as what we have in this forum.
Just hope it some way carries over to the next generation of C&Vers.
My nephew is an avid cyclist. As I was in my younger days, but I noticed that his attachment to his bikes is much different to what mine was. He kinda goes through bikes like he goes through phones. Really just disposable items that you forget or quickly sell off once a new one gets his interest and it seems like a lot of his cyclist friends are similar. Maybe it's because. these days, they see things made with composites and plastics, as much less than permanent fixtures in their lives. I just don't see my nephew developing interest in his old bikes in the future or any interest in any of my C&V bikes at all. He never gave my bikes any second looks nor ask me anything about them. I suspect he just sees them as "Geezer", boat anchor bikes at best, and I understand, considering the modern cycling culture he grew up in.
So,.......let's just enjoy ourselves with our old bikes and continue to support each other.....as I think, we are all that will be left, when it comes to C&V cycling and collecting, as we know it!.....kinda like the "Hub Nuts" of cycling.....
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
But I'm mostly in it for the dating potential.
When you said you wanted to date a bike I thought you meant...
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I'm not sure what it is, maybe an innate desire to be a part of something or an innate desire to help others, For all I know it may be the upbringing or nurturing side of the philosophical question. But for me it seems rewarding to help others. (maybe why I got a teaching degree). But it does help to find others of like mind who will help with no need for compensation, other than a "thanks for the help". My day job these days is helping golfers repair their broken products for $. But helping bike riders learn is more rewarding for me. Just some ramblings and a guess as to why I participate. Smiles, MH
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Originally Posted by since6
We spend so much time detached.

You look at a cell phone dozens to hundreds of times a day, but miss the sky, the sunset, the seasons changing.

You take your family and/or loved one out to dinner and are surrounded by the noise of a dozen or more TV screens.

You watch a football game, but must have the "Red Zone" switching between ALL games so you don't miss the action, but miss the game.

But a bicycle is a simple thing, a vintage bike even more simple. It takes you back into your body, into the world and if you have a friend along into conversation.

It's not just endorphins that come home after a ride, it's you..
Couldn't have said it better. Riding with one other person brings a closeness to all other people, somehow.

There are also a lot of good people on the forums for old Honda motorcycles and SAAB cars. Probably because these vehicles break enough that they also take you back into the world and bring you closer to your friends you have along! In addition, working with cantankerous machines of all kinds nurtures an intuitive understanding of the counterintuitive concept that going at a slower pace keeps your problems (mechanical and possibly mental) from catching up with you.
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Originally Posted by noglider
I like to participate in some other sections of bikeforums, but there is a different culture in each section. None is as nice as it is here. We have a holistic view of cycling, as well.
Truer words have never been spoken, Tom. Other forums are downright nasty - like a hundred piranhas in your bathtub.
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I had a situation yesterday that was not C&V related but is related to the thread. There are times in your life that you have to make choices and do things simply because they are the right thing to do. I live in Richmond VA which is about 100 miles from VA Beach. Next post.
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I was coming back from a delivery east of Richmond on I 64. Stopped at the rest stop between Williamsburg and Richmond. When I came back out, there was a young military male trying to start his motorcycle. It wouldn't start and the battery was running down. He was stationed in Va Beach and headed back home to DC for the weekend. He had bought the bike(used) from a dealer 2 days before. Next post.
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I pull out some cables and we jump start it. He gets ready to pull out but it dies and won't start. I asked him what he is going to do. He thinks the battery is bad. Wants to go to an auto parts store and have it tested. I say, "I'm going to Richmond. We can put the bike in the van. I'll take you to an auto parts store there. If the battery is bad, we can get a new one and you can be on your way." So, him, I and another biker start to load the bike into the van. This is a busy rest stop. You would think with all of the people walking by, someone would jump in and help. Not one did. We got it in the van, strapped down and headed for Richmond. Next post.
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We get to Richmond, hit an Advance Auto and get the battery tested. I am really hoping this is the problem. I can buy him a new battery/pay it forward and send him on his way. Dude is 21. I know he could use a favor. The battery tests good. It's now about 1pm. Maybe we can take it to a local dealer and they can fix it or sell us the parts and he can fix it at my office/shop and be on his way. The bike is a Honda VRF800. We give the local Honda dealership a call. They can't even look at it today. We go over our options.
"Any friends in Richmond I can drop you at while you figure things out?
Family in Northern Va have pickup/vehicle that can carry the bike? We can meet them in Fredericksburg."
No to both of those questions. Next post.

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At that point, I knew we had only one option. The only option was to take him back to Va Beach. I had to be back in Richmond by 6 to work as a volunteer at a high school football game. But this was one of those times you have to do the right thing. So I told him I would take him back to Va Beach. I bought us some food at a Hardee's and we got on 64 headed east. Rolled through Hampton, Norfolk and Va Beach at Friday rush hour traffic time. Went to the dealer he bought the bike from and dropped him off. I went in to pee as they unloaded the bike. They put a scanner on it and found a blown fuse and a faulty electrical socket connector. I told him I had to go. He gave me a big hug and started crying. I left and headed back to Richmond. Found someone to cover me at the football game until I got there. With the traffic delays I got back about 7:30. You gotta do what you gotta do. Forgot to mention the young man was Navy, E3 on a carrier. He worked on the flight deck.

On a side note, one of the traffic delays was a wreck on one of the tunnel bridges. A dog was ejected from one of the vehicles. He went over the guardrail and into the water below. It took the rescue team about an hour to fish him out of the water. He was alive when they got him. I never heard of that before.

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I used to make custom knives.The knifemaking community was great back then. So many people were helpful with so much friendly advice and nurturing. In all the time I made knives, I only know of two different people who were guarded and secretive of their craft. Of the fellow knifemakers I've met, I could say that most all of them were my friends, or so darn friendly. I did it for about 15 years and eventually got burned out and tired of it - too much shop time, not enough play time.

This has nothing to do with our C&V forum, but the camaraderie and atmosphere in here reminds me of my former hobby.
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Originally Posted by seypat
At that point, I knew we had only one option. The only option was to take him back to Va Beach. I had to be back in Richmond by 6 to work as a volunteer at a high school football game. But this was one of those times you have to do the right thing. So I told him I would take him back to Va Beach. I bought us some food at a Hardee's and we got on 64 headed east. Rolled through Hampton, Norfolk and Va Beach at Friday rush hour traffic time. Went to the dealer he bought the bike from and dropped him off. I went in to pee as they unloaded the bike. They put a scanner on it and found a blown fuse and a faulty electrical socket connector. I told him I had to go. He gave me a big hug and started crying. I left and headed back to Richmond. Found someone to cover me at the football game until I got there. With the traffic delays I got back about 7:30. You gotta do what you gotta do. Forgot to mention the young man was Navy, E3 on a carrier. He worked on the flight deck.

On a side note, one of the traffic delays was a wreck on one of the tunnel bridges. A dog was ejected from one of the vehicles. He went over the guardrail and into the water below. It took the rescue team about an hour to fish him out of the water. He was alive when they got him. I never heard of that before.
Good man. When I was repping in the bike biz I'd occasionally do a day of sales calls on my motorcycle. After one call in Portsmouth I was heading for Norfolk when the bike died suddenly. Electrical, I just knew it. Phoned the dealer I'd just left and he came to get me and bike in his battered Ford Ranger, then let me drive it home after dropping him off at his shop. I troubleshot the bike that night in the truck bed in my driveway (several wires had rubbed through the insulation on the edge of a hole in the headlight shell), then drove back the next morning and returned his truck with many thanks.

It's all a big circle. We need help and we get it. Or someone else needs help and we're able to help them.

Riding with my girlfriend in her car to visit her parents about an hour away, we passed a cyclist walking a wounded machine. Tacoed rear wheel. Young guy in the very early days of an E>W TransAm in dawn of the BikeCentenniel days. I told him I was a mechanic but had no tools with me. "Oh, I have some tools!" We gave him a lift to the folks' place and I trued his wheel as well as could be done and sent him off to the nearest shop in Charlottesville.
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I used to make custom knives.The knifemaking community was great back then. So many people were helpful with so much friendly advice and nurturing. In all the time I made knives, I only know of two different people who were guarded and secretive of their craft. Of the fellow knifemakers I've met, I could say that most all of them were my friends, or so darn friendly. I did it for about 15 years and eventually got burned out and tired of it - too much shop time, not enough play time.

This has nothing to do with our C&V forum, but the camaraderie and atmosphere in here reminds me of my former hobby.
Those are flippin awesome, very nice.
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Originally Posted by seypat
At that point, I knew we had only one option. The only option was to take him back to Va Beach. I had to be back in Richmond by 6 to work as a volunteer at a high school football game. But this was one of those times you have to do the right thing. So I told him I would take him back to Va Beach. I bought us some food at a Hardee's and we got on 64 headed east. Rolled through Hampton, Norfolk and Va Beach at Friday rush hour traffic time. Went to the dealer he bought the bike from and dropped him off. I went in to pee as they unloaded the bike. They put a scanner on it and found a blown fuse and a faulty electrical socket connector. I told him I had to go. He gave me a big hug and started crying. I left and headed back to Richmond. Found someone to cover me at the football game until I got there. With the traffic delays I got back about 7:30. You gotta do what you gotta do. Forgot to mention the young man was Navy, E3 on a carrier. He worked on the flight deck.

On a side note, one of the traffic delays was a wreck on one of the tunnel bridges. A dog was ejected from one of the vehicles. He went over the guardrail and into the water below. It took the rescue team about an hour to fish him out of the water. He was alive when they got him. I never heard of that before.
Very solid call, Tx for getting a service member squared away, they have a big job, often limited off duty resources and leeway when things go south.

So glad they do what they do for us.
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@seypat, FTW, you done good my friend!

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Same reason a dog...never mind.

Today I had the opportunity to have a good think about this after I checked my mailbox. Way back in July I purchased a pair of vintage Specialized Turbos in 28mm. I wanted them for a couple mid-July gravel rides I was considering (one was the Palouse ride that never actually materialized and the other was a day-trip up to the Hyak tunnel); these old Turbos have a pretty darn thick tread and 28s are fatter then anything else I've got.

I paid my money and waited - and waited, and waited and waited. By the 24th (my payment cleared July 1) I was wondering what was up and asked the seller. He wasn't too helpful, basically falling back on "it's out of my hands once USPS has it - ask them". Long story short, after another week, without consulting or even letting me know, he sent another pair. By this point, both events were past and I was wondering wtf about shipping and all so when he told me he shipped a second pair I informed him I'd be returning them because it was a month since I'd paid for them and I really didn't have any pressing need for them any longer. Plus, he wasn't interested in refunding a portion of the shipping at least for the delay.

I got the tires and they'd been folded (which I'd been expecting), but not in a box. They were simply wrapped with Priority Mail Tyvek envelopes; looked like an anemic doughnut when it arrived. I was afraid to cut the package open for fear of damaging the tires, and anyway, I was sending them right back. Ebay sided with me in the dispute, I returned the item the same way I got it and was issued a full refund. Sometimes it goes that way; lesson learned.

Guess what? The pair of tires originally sent - and lost - showed up today. The label says they were sent on July 2; what I found a bit funny was that there was no note or anything with them explaining why it took almost 3 months to get from Illinois to Washington State. Anyway, since I'd long since gotten my refund, I felt it safe to give it a go opening the package. Took 40 minutes of careful cutting, but I got them out. I yanked the disintegrating Michelin Selects from the Casati and put these in their place (I'd left them on that bike for the interim, but they are done for riding as the consensus on the thread about them was that they'd fail soon). I took the bike out for a quick 10 miles and the tires feel great!

Think the seller will freak out when I ask for his PayPal addy and send him the full amount for the tires? Because that's what I intend to do. I don't have any obligation to return them as regards Ebay, but my conscience is a different story.

So why did I post here? I honestly think we help each other because it's the right thing to do and if we can, we do. This same principle applies to people we don't know but are still bike people. Because USPS lost the tires the first go-around, this guy was out one pair of tires (valued at around $55) and the shipping for my return. He deserves better; we all do

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But I'm mostly in it for the dating potential.
The potential for successful dating is here: Date of Manufacture of Bicycle Components can be used to date a bike: component dating
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I can't even remember how I found this site, probably google. But once I got here, I knew I was home; I had found my tribe. When I got to meet people from BF in person, it only got better.
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Originally Posted by qcpmsame
@seypat, FTW, you done good my friend!

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Many moons ago, 1979, I was that 20-year-old military guy, stranded on the side of the PA Turnpike at 2 am. Everything I owned was in a seabag on my 1968 Honda CB450, which completed my worldly possessions. I was halfway from Wisconsin to Marine Barracks Annapolis, in a cold March. The only fuse on the bike blew on a long, dark downhill. Try that sometime, no light, 70 mph, no engine. Glad there was some moonlight.

I stashed the bike and seabag out of sight, then started hitching. 2 am. 27-28 degrees, dark, no lights, no cars. A big guy in a beat-up Eldorado pulled over and gave me the fuse from his CB radio.

He didn't have to stop. He didn't have to disable his CB to help me. What are the odds? You don't forget stuff like that. You'd better not.

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I was first lurking on BF in 03, 04 sometime because it has a lot of great, searchable information. At the start, I was exclusively in the 41 as that was my interest at the time. I, and the people I rode with were your typical roadies, competitive, dropping the hammer, rides to the point of throwing up, etc. Joined BF in 06 because I had something to say? Again, I mostly stayed in the 41. A bike was a tool, not a jewel.

But soon after joining, I turned to the dark side, C&V. It took a couple three years, but eventually I lost most interest in roadies and the culture of the 41 in general. Rides could be fast, but less and less town line sprints. Bikes are to be shown off, not ridden hard and put away wet. Never got into the whole Strava thing. I got into learning history and talking to and riding with the people who taught me. Different culture that I have slipped into. I don't know if it is better or worse than roadies, but it is where I am now..

So now fast forward to about a little more than a year ago. My business unit got a new GM. He is your typical roadie as described above. I invited him to ride in the morning this year as I have pretty much recovered from two back surgeries and could put in some miles this year. The rides with him brought back the memories of the competitiveness of roadies. Which is fine. I got to drop our director of marketing. He is one of those 5% body fat, every day going to crossfit types. But if you don't ride (he does very little riding), even if you are in top shape, you will pay. I must say whatever roadie is left in me did enjoy that bit.

But in the end, I prefer passing on what others generously gave me. It's the least I can do.
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There's definitely a communal spirit among those who share a passion in a common interest. Seypat's story reminded of my motorcycle days, when there was a great deal of comradeship between riders, no matter what they rode. What was important, was that you were on two wheels instead of four. Other motorcyclists always waved, nodded approvingly or gave the "thumb's up". If you were stranded on the road, other motorcyclists always stopped to offer aid and that even extended to Hell's Angels.
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