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Road Test/Bike Review (1982) SPECIALIZED Sequoia and Allez

Old 11-29-19, 11:13 AM
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I remember lusting after an Allez back in the day. a fellow wrench at the shop i worked at, had a beautiful example for racing. we all marveled at the diameter of the chain stays. it was a gorgeous red/orange (like VW Porsche guards red)
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IMHO, Specialized should bring back the Expedition and Sequoia in as close to a 1980 version as possible with modern components--I predict they'd sell very well and make a whole lot of riders happy. Dropping those models was as dumb as Steinway dropping grand pianos or Fender discontinuing Telecasters would be.
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Cool article and good background as I expect to refurb my 1989 Allez this winter, I do love the red

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IMHO, Specialized should bring back the Expedition and Sequoia in as close to a 1980 version as possible with modern components--I predict they'd sell very well and make a whole lot of riders happy. Dropping those models was as dumb as Steinway dropping grand pianos or Fender discontinuing Telecasters would be.
With the advent of gravel bikes, I don't think it's likely.
They discontinued the AWOL, which was a great touring bike. I feel like this new trend of gravel bikes is why a lot of prices for C & V bikes are dropping.
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I normally enjoy reading the technical specifications and opinions in these articles and don't comment on small technical errors, but this one jumped out at me
remember stiffness if calculated from the fourth power of tube dimensions. The 0.7-millimeter tube is 15.4 percent stiffer than the 0.6 tube.
This is a curious statement about fourth powers. ~k^4 applies when both the diameter and the wall thickness are increased by a factor of k (Reynolds 531 DT vs TT). ~k^3 applies when only the diameter increases by a factor of k, but not wall thickness (Columbus SL DT vs TT). ~k^2 applies when diameter is increased by a factor of k, but wall thickness is reduced to keep mass the same (thinwall OS vs standard). ~k^1 applies when diameter is constant and the wall is increased by k (the example given in the article). Note that 0.7/0.6 ~= 16.7% (k^1), and the difference compared to the cited 15.4% can be explained by the fact that the additional wall thickness is added to the ID of the tube.
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@SpeedofLite - Thank you for posting this review!! With an '82 Allez in my fleet, I've done a fair bit of research into the frame design/specs. The review you posted is the most comprehensive info I've seen. Again, thank you.

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Originally Posted by Kuromori View Post
I normally enjoy reading the technical specifications and opinions in these articles and don't comment on small technical errors, but this one jumped out at me

This is a curious statement about fourth powers. ~k^4 applies when both the diameter and the wall thickness are increased by a factor of k (Reynolds 531 DT vs TT). ~k^3 applies when only the diameter increases by a factor of k, but not wall thickness (Columbus SL DT vs TT). ~k^2 applies when diameter is increased by a factor of k, but wall thickness is reduced to keep mass the same (thinwall OS vs standard). ~k^1 applies when diameter is constant and the wall is increased by k (the example given in the article). Note that 0.7/0.6 ~= 16.7% (k^1), and the difference compared to the cited 15.4% can be explained by the fact that the additional wall thickness is added to the ID of the tube.
Thanks for the additional insight. When I read that same paragraph, I simply wondered why the authors had not included the equation instead of asking me to remember it, or the variable part of it, or whatever they were asking me to remember.
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Originally Posted by Dean51 View Post
@SpeedofLite - Thank you for posting this review!! With an '82 Allez in my fleet, I've done a fair bit of research into the frame design/specs. The review you posted is the most comprehensive info I've seen. Again, thank you.

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Beautiful real-life example of the Allez. Thanks for posting.
I really dig the elegant simplicity of just the head badge and "right-sized" model name on the DT.
It really allows the frame to stand out as opposed to the over-badged, over-sized labels in your face on every tube of today's bikes.
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I'll always get a warmness in my heart when I see a red 1980s Allez.

Back in 1987, non-cycling me was sitting on my porch in Urbana. A guy pulled to the house across the street on a red Allez. Really put the zap on my brain. I got a $50 garage sale bike and have been riding every since.
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Originally Posted by SpeedofLite View Post
Beautiful real-life example of the Allez. Thanks for posting.
I really dig the elegant simplicity of just the head badge and "right-sized" model name on the DT.
It really allows the frame to stand out as opposed to the over-badged, over-sized labels in your face on every tube of today's bikes.
Funny how we know C+V bikes from normal unoffensive graphics/livery just fine, all the new crap/stuff have to be a rolling billboard to tell one from another.
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Very interesting. The Sequoia in the article and the one in the ad below it both have 1981 graphics. The bike in the ad clearly has fluted seat stays and though its difficult to see I think the one in the article does also. This combination seems to be a bit unusual.
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I know it looks rough now, but this Sequoia is getting ready to get completely rebuilt. Has great bones with the Campy Record high flange hubs and a mix of components. Also just sold this Allez. Broke my heart to get rid of it, but just wasn’t my size.


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Here's my 85 Allez SE I picked up tonight. All original right down to the Delta seat. Except tires of course. Those hideous things gotta go. Can't wait to given it the royal treatment.

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Very interesting. The Sequoia in the article and the one in the ad below it both have 1981 graphics. The bike in the ad clearly has fluted seat stays and though its difficult to see I think the one in the article does also. This combination seems to be a bit unusual.
I had an 81 Sequoia with those decals and fluted seat stays. Maybe unusual just because they were made for a short while.

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I just picked up a Specialized Sequoia. Will post pics soon.
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I missed this one the first time around. I definitely agree with the author about the “I can’t explain it, but I like it” feel of the Sequoia’s ride. Great bike!

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I missed this one the first time around. I definitely agree with the author about the “I can’t explain it, but I like it” feel of the Sequoia’s ride. Great bike!

Aaah, and it's the blue one similar to the Specialized ad. Very nice!
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IMHO, Specialized should bring back the Expedition and Sequoia in as close to a 1980 version as possible with modern components--I predict they'd sell very well and make a whole lot of riders happy. Dropping those models was as dumb as Steinway dropping grand pianos or Fender discontinuing Telecasters would be.
In about 2011 Speicalized had a throwback steel (not lugged) Alllez offering, I believe it was 7 speed as their entry level Allez. Also in 2014 they had a 40th anniversary special addition run of 74 Allez supervised by Mike DiNicci one of the original builders
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In about 2011 Speicalized had a throwback steel (not lugged) Alllez offering, I believe it was 7 speed as their entry level Allez. Also in 2014 they had a 40th anniversary special addition run of 74 Allez supervised by Mike DiNicci one of the original builders
Mark DiNucci?
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Mark DiNucci?
Funny thing is I did a copy and paste from the article, guess you can't trust journalists to spell
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In about 2011 Speicalized had a throwback steel (not lugged) Alllez offering, I believe it was 7 speed as their entry level Allez. Also in 2014 they had a 40th anniversary special addition run of 74 Allez supervised by Mike DiNicci one of the original builders
Like this one for sale by me.

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They did an earlier Allez (90's) that was designed by Mark Dinucci also--lugged and the lugs were a dead giveaway since he designed them.
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Doing a rebuild on my Sequoia and trying to date it. Serial number on the bottom bracket is AS61489. The components are matching up to an 86 or 87. Deerhead FD, triple Specialized crank with the half step. The rear derailleur looks to have been replaced with a Deore.
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The near mint & 100% original Sequoia I picked up 10 days ago. I posted a photo of it on another site, & Jim Merz weighed in saying he thought it looked like an 83.

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