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Old 12-16-19, 03:18 PM
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Need help with Pinarello head badge

Hello everyone
I have a 1983(ish) Treviso that is curently at the chrome and paint shop that I intend to fully restore, but it arrived in my possession without a head badge. Since these are extremely hard to find, I'm making a reproduction from steel and photoetching the areas to be painted. My problem is that when I dropped off the frame, I failed to measure the distance between the rivet holes. Since I won't have access to the frame for a few months I'm stuck with a problem.
I'm hoping one of my fellow vintage Pinarello owners can put a quick ruler to their head badge and give me this dimension! I'll say please please please and send flowers and chocolates and be eternally grateful!

Here's the artwork, I just need the rivet hole spacing
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Old 12-16-19, 07:46 PM
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Mine is an 84 and has a decal, not a head badge.
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My 97-ish Stelvio had a headbadge. I sold it this fall to forum member blart. He may be willing to measure it.
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Old 07-02-20, 08:11 PM
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Hey folks
I'm continuing this thread to show Everyone what has conspire over the past 6 months. The artwork above was refined and badges have been fabricated, first in stainless steel, which turned out to be too difficult to work, then in brass.The brass badges look fantastic and I’m going to try a couple different finishes to see what works best. The steel is .010 with .03 etch and it just looks too flat. The bronze is .030 with .15 etch and looks much better and close to the stamped metal of the original badges.


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Old 07-02-20, 08:29 PM
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Holy moly, they look AMAZING!

Agree the bronze has a bit more 'depth'. Is the intent to paint it? Just wondering how the paint goes on either material.
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I would be very interested in seeing details of the fabrication process. That said, very well done! I am impressed.
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Actually, I like the stainless one. Might look really good as is, unpainted.
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Vince Hoffmann Just found this thread. Nice job! How many are you going to make?
I did hunt for one for my daughters Pin but gave up. The bike drastically needed repaint but he badge is in really bad condition. We agreed that the "Patina" should be retained to capture the original condition. Note the paint next to the badge on the bottom right. The whole frame was like this.
P1000968, on Flickr

My Montello badge. No raised portions on the badge. Looks to be silk screened.
P1020145, on Flickr
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Needless to say but I will say it anyway, I did not remove my headbadge to measure the rivet location holes. That said, fitted to the curve of the head tube, I get 32.5 mm or roughly 1.29 inches. Hope that that is a help and hope that my poor old eyes really saw what I think they saw. The badge, itself, is pretty much smooth with no embossing of any kind, although I can feel slight variations between colors.
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super cool. Is riveting the new ones in going to be a major pain?
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Old 07-03-20, 11:31 AM
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Great job, I hope that you will share the process, I believe there are a few members that could benefit from the process....I assume the measurement you used took the curve of the badge into account.
Please post the final results and installation etc.
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I assume the measurement you used took the curve of the badge into account.
I did not take the curve into account. I have no idea of how to determine that (actually, I could probably puzzle out the formula, but so can anyone else). I used a pair of Vernier Calipers, targeting the center of each rivet head. Best I know how to do.
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Thanks for the kudos folks! The badges are photo etched. I spent about 3 weeks making the artwork in AutoCAD then imported the artwork into Illustrator to make the masks which is basically a reverse image. My first attempt in steel look fantastic, but even as thin as it is, the metal wonít easily bend. I canít photoetch aluminum, so I used brass instead.
I can make as many as I like but i donít know if Pinarello would take issue with me making replicas of their badges... any lawyers out there who can give me advise? 😊

hereís a picture of the painted badge... I currently have 6 of each, steel and brass And it takes about 1 week to make a new batch of 6.

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Very cool! Better than the original! I like!
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Nice!
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This just keeps getting better. How do you bend them and do you do that before or after painting?

Man, I wish you did this before I restored my Montello!

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I can make as many as I like but i donít know if Pinarello would take issue with me making replicas of their badges... any lawyers out there who can give me advise? 😊
Itís no different to reproduction decals which are legitimate businesses. I donít think Pinarello is losing out on too much money because a handful of retrogrouches replace their head badges!
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I would bend and apply before the paint has a chance to really harden, lessening the chance of cracking.
Really looks good.
BTW I guess if the paint "cracks/peels" it will make them appear original...we all know how to tell if the bike we are looking at is a real PINA,
don't we?
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I would bend and apply before the paint has a chance to really harden, lessening the chance of cracking.
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so I was also concerned about that but it turns out that enamel paint is very forgiving, even when dry. I bent the one below over a wood dowel with no issues.
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Those turned out very well.
back in school I used a photo-etched Process to create ďmolded inĒ identification for a few product design visual models.

that source vanished, they etched into a magnesium plate, that started about .060Ē thick. I set the plate into the model. Appeared very authentic.


art was done the old way, by hand, photo reduced and a reverse neg providing the basis for photo printing the resist on the plate.

I must laugh, my garage was broken into one night and tools were stolen, one was a model of a saber saw I did- thief must have been very bummed when he plugged in the model thinking it was going to work, I tried making it real in heft and the trigger control even had a spring return feel. The guy bypassed my Masi track bike frame hanging on the wall! Small favors.

good work.
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Those turned out very well.
good work.
Thank you! The fully painted badge in the pics has some issues because it is my experimental copy, but the others are turning out very nice. I admit it was (and still is) a lot of effort to produce these but I think its fun and a challenge!
Good to know your Masi remains in your possession, nobody ever accused a thief of being smart!
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