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1972 Colnago Super Eddy Merckx part list

Old 12-17-19, 09:27 AM
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1972 Colnago Super Eddy Merckx part list

Hello I recently acquired a 1972 colnago super EM with original paint and decals. Just the frameset. Iíd like to build it up just like this catalog scan. My question is does anyone know the parts rundown on this bike? Specifically the stem, would it have been 3ttt or cinelli? It looks to have 3 lines panto on it. Anyone seen one of these I canít find a pic outside of this scan. Any help would be much appreciated

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Basically full Campagnolo. Record/Nuovo Record, take your pick. Steel quill pedals with the strap loop, Binda blue straps.
Regular/normal reach brakes, "flat" quick release levers, no plastic on the tire guides.
No lip front derailleur, crank set before date codes. Campagnolo cables.
The chainring and seatpost are custom drill/mill/ I think Greg Softley may have made up big rings like that.
Rims on the imaged bike appear to be Nisi Oro. 32 spoke was common, Italian threading, Regina ORO chain ( early SC, not the Extra Oro) and freewheel.
Tires, Clement seta or Pirelli.
Saddle, Cinelli. Stem oval logo, (also custom milled) bike shows Cinelli Model 66 bars.
ALE waterbottle cage.

That should deplete the bank pretty effectively to replicate.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
Basically full Campagnolo. Record/Nuovo Record, take your pick. Steel quill pedals with the strap loop, Binda blue straps.
Regular/normal reach brakes, "flat" quick release levers, no plastic on the tire guides.
No lip front derailleur, crank set before date codes. Campagnolo cables.
The chainring and seatpost are custom drill/mill/ I think Greg Softley may have made up big rings like that.
Rims on the imaged bike appear to be Nisi Oro. 32 spoke was common, Italian threading, Regina ORO chain ( early SC, not the Extra Oro) and freewheel.
Tires, Clement seta or Pirelli.
Saddle, Cinelli. Stem oval logo, (also custom milled) bike shows Cinelli Model 66 bars.
ALE waterbottle cage.

That should deplete the bank pretty effectively to replicate.
Wow! Just what I was looking for! Thanks man! I want to try and drill out the chain ring myself it doesnít look too difficult. Tell me more about these custom milled parts. So that seatpost is a campy NR post with custom panto? Who did that panto? Do you have any pics? I have most of the campy NR parts Iíve been building up a collection past couple years. Even have pat 72 rd.
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If you have a vertical mill and a rotary table (with indexing head even better) go- otherwise do a sample on a cheap used up ring.
Not that easy. Not impossible, but I would not want to do it.

Colnago panto or milling varied a lot, 5 -6mm probably on the seatpost, 6-8mm on the stem as seen in the image, probably 1-1.5mm deep on stem, .5 to 1mm deep on the seatpost, probably 6-8 flutes. often the flutes end short of the stampings, I would hold the flute on the back side of the seatpost above the seat lug.
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OP, I suppose you've seen this already?

75 Colnago Molteni
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OP, I suppose you've seen this already?

75 Colnago Molteni
saw that earlier today. Shame jon the milling guy isnít around anymore
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Forgot about Ray's bike, very well done, very very little to pick at.

Note that Eddy used Superleggeri Pista pedals often as seen in magazine images from the day.
The Catalog, shows steel strada.

A 1972 bike would have the Cinelli saddle without the logo on the back. a '75 would.
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
Forgot about Ray's bike, very well done, very very little to pick at.

Note that Eddy used Superleggeri Pista pedals often as seen in magazine images from the day.
The Catalog, shows steel strada.

A 1972 bike would have the Cinelli saddle without the logo on the back. a '75 would.
just a pure black cinelli saddle?
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Google on Colanago Super Pantagrafata. Lots will come up. Check Google image gallery as well as listings.
Current master of panto is Chris Howard @ cycloretro.com. Remember that prices quoted are in Australian dollars which are about $0.70 American. Also be aware that his work is significantly better than original and he doesn't easily turn that off.
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Originally Posted by Zen10NiN View Post
just a pure black cinelli saddle?
Side skirt foil stamping is the only decoration, the oval type as shown in the catalog image faintly.
Later the rear of the saddle received branding too.
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Originally Posted by Zen10NiN View Post
just a pure black cinelli saddle?
Side skirt foil stamping is the only decoration, the oval type as shown in the catalog image faintly.
Later the rear of the saddle received branding too.
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How about some photos of your bike? Would love to see them!
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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
snip...

Stem oval logo, (also custom milled)

snip...
And make sure it is a nutted oval logo Cinelli stem.




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And make sure it is a nutted oval logo Cinelli stem.




nice observation. Itís the little things. Thanks for pointing that out!
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Here she is. In all her glory
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Originally Posted by satbuilder View Post
How about some photos of your bike? Would love to see them!
Posted below
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The finish has suffered.
are you considering getting it painted?
this color has been known to fade.
if you are considering paint - color sand with 1000 grit with water and the original color will reveal- match to that.
be sure to measure graphics placement
some use a reference stick for easy transfer of placement.
nothing cries error louder than a sat tube band covered partly by the derailleur band or Super hiding behind a chainring.
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I'm not sure where you're located, but Franklin frames did a wonderful job on the repaint of Ray Dobbins' restoration, mentioned earlier in this thread.

Does your frame by chance have any areas down to primer? I'm trying to find the primer color they used on their Molteni orange paint jobs.

I've been trying to hone in on the correct shade of orange for the Colnagos, as my '73 is in need of some touchup, or a repaint. Getting close. So far I've tried the following RAL colors: 2000, 2004, 2008, 2010, 2011. And I've mixed different quantities of each to get close, but still not quite there yet.

Looks like a fun project. Would love to find a Merckx.

Kurt

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Originally Posted by repechage View Post
The finish has suffered.
are you considering getting it painted?
this color has been known to fade.
if you are considering paint - color sand with 1000 grit with water and the original color will reveal- match to that.
be sure to measure graphics placement
some use a reference stick for easy transfer of placement.
nothing cries error louder than a sat tube band covered partly by the derailleur band or Super hiding behind a chainring.
not a chance! Only original once!
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Originally Posted by Zen10NiN View Post
not a chance! Only original once!
It does have that Gladiator look.
I just facilitated one for a friend that I will place in that category.
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Originally Posted by Zen10NiN View Post
just a pure black cinelli saddle?
If you want it to match what Eddy rode in the '72 TdF, I think that would be a Brooks Pro. I was just watching this footage of the '72 tour
-- German language, which I don't understand, but still very interesting. You can see his saddle two places in that video, both just for a split second, but it clearly has large rivets, which probably means Brooks.

Eddy's Brooks was probably custom butchered, with those the large copper rivets that are hammered flush with the leather. Like the Team Pro, where Brooks tried to mimic the work of the custom saddle butchers. It's possible Eddy rode a stock Team Pro (they were available in 72) but unlikely I think. The video isn't good enough to tell if it's been butchered, but he was famously picky about his saddle and would have gone with the best. It's also possible that he rode the Brooks in some stages and some other saddle (Unicanitor?) in others, but I doubt it. Finally, it's possible his saddle started life as something other than a Brooks Pro. I have seen some butchered B-17 saddles on pros' bikes, and certainly a saddle customizer could have started with an Idťale or any other leather saddle brand, though Brook is most common.

It's not easy to find a real pro-quality custom butchered saddle from back then, from one of the good guys. Ottusi is probably the most famous, but I don't know who did Eddy's saddles. They were always rare, and riders took them with them from bike to bike, even from team to team. It's one of those "you can have my butchered Brooks when you pry it from my cold dead fingers" kinda things. I have one, with the rivets stamped with "LŁders Berlin", but I don't know if it's considered one of the good ones. It's not reshaped as much as an Ottusi, just carved a bit. The big rivets are not done quite the same way as a stock Team Pro, so you can tell it's customized.

A Unicanitor is perfectly acceptable though, and it's what most people would have used on those BITD.
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Originally Posted by satbuilder View Post
I'm not sure where you're located, but Franklin frames did a wonderful job on the repaint of Ray Dobbins' restoration, mentioned earlier in this thread.

Does your frame by chance have any areas down to primer? I'm trying to find the primer color they used on their Molteni orange paint jobs.

I've been trying to hone in on the correct shade of orange for the Colnagos, as my '73 is in need of some touchup, or a repaint. Getting close. So far I've tried the following RAL colors: 2000, 2004, 2008, 2010, 2011. And I've mixed different quantities of each to get close, but still not quite there yet.

Looks like a fun project. Would love to find a Merckx.

Kurt
Here you go Kurt. Primer is a dark almost blood colored red
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Thanks!!
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Absolutely a beautiful frame !!

I wouldn't change a thing

Good Luck and post pics when done.

Very exciting !!!
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