What tubular tires are you riding?
12-20-19, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Chombi1
True about clinchers usually going 100 psi to zero instantly and sometimes just losing all support and control from the wheel, instantly too, while most flats on a tub goes down more slowly.....with a "pop......hiss hiss hiss hiss hiss". As you slowly come to a more controllable stop.
12-20-19, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by masi61
How widespread is the use of sealant in tubular tires? I have not tried it before. I have read here (in other tubular tire threads) that putting sealant in a tubular tire has several down sides. It might be OK if all I rode were the same set of tubular wheels all the time, it my tubular tire bikes are more of Sunday riders. I would be concerned about congealed sealant creating an imbalance. Also, as the latex tube naturally deflates, re-jflating with sticky latex sealant on the inside sounds like a recipe for prematurely ruining the tire.
12-20-19, 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Wildwood
I have a lot of experience with Vitorria's Rally tire.
Yes - when you bought 3, 2 would be for riding, the third might sometimes have a lump issue - but it was the spare. Mounting without glue for the purposes of stretching, inspecting, etc = usually sorted out a lumpy one. And at 100+psi on typical roads most lumps were minimal, often got better with time, often not. But for a damped, cotton casing, training tire for cheap - Rally wasn't a bad choice. But I've moved on.
i probably have a Rally on a spare front wheel.
Otherwise I'm currently running:
VeloFlex in 25/28mm = Roubaix, Arenburg, Vlaanderen (2)
Specialized Turbo 24mm - 3-4 years old, but a great tire for fast
Conti Sprinters (not Gators) 22mm = 2 bikes liking that firm/fast feel
Conti Giros 23mm - came on a wheelset and OK for that firm/fast feel
Schwalbe 30mm - semi-off road with tough pebbled rubber
Schwalbe Racing Ralph CX 32mm knobbies - moderate gravel bike duties
let me check for others........
A Conti Combo Sprinter rear, Competition front.
But the spares are all old crap.
With as many bikes as I ride (all in the sig line) and only about 3K miles per year total, the only durability comment is that the Spesh tires seem to have more tiny cuts in the tread than others, but no flats.
aha.... good thread.... just found a new in-th-box Rally, for a spare.
re-edit: I wanna buy the Vitorria Corsa G+ - $50 at MerlinCycles.
Yes - when you bought 3, 2 would be for riding, the third might sometimes have a lump issue - but it was the spare. Mounting without glue for the purposes of stretching, inspecting, etc = usually sorted out a lumpy one. And at 100+psi on typical roads most lumps were minimal, often got better with time, often not. But for a damped, cotton casing, training tire for cheap - Rally wasn't a bad choice. But I've moved on.
i probably have a Rally on a spare front wheel.
Otherwise I'm currently running:
VeloFlex in 25/28mm = Roubaix, Arenburg, Vlaanderen (2)
Specialized Turbo 24mm - 3-4 years old, but a great tire for fast
Conti Sprinters (not Gators) 22mm = 2 bikes liking that firm/fast feel
Conti Giros 23mm - came on a wheelset and OK for that firm/fast feel
Schwalbe 30mm - semi-off road with tough pebbled rubber
Schwalbe Racing Ralph CX 32mm knobbies - moderate gravel bike duties
let me check for others........
A Conti Combo Sprinter rear, Competition front.
But the spares are all old crap.
With as many bikes as I ride (all in the sig line) and only about 3K miles per year total, the only durability comment is that the Spesh tires seem to have more tiny cuts in the tread than others, but no flats.
aha.... good thread.... just found a new in-th-box Rally, for a spare.
re-edit: I wanna buy the Vitorria Corsa G+ - $50 at MerlinCycles.
23 mm better.
25 mm hard to find and not that cheap.
I bought a case of the 23mm tires for prices that meet and beat wholesale prices... I still have a good number stretching in storage on dead rims.
They are now "aged" Rallys, at least they won't pick up debris that fast.
Plenty of more pleasurable tires out there, but no tears when they flat. (but they don't....a benefit or a curse?)
12-21-19, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 6Speed
I'm mainly interested in cost and durability. This will be going on a bike that I just tool around small town to grab lunch or run an errand. No long rides or racing on this one.
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Vittoria Rally tires that refuse to flat = only a curse if you've mentally moved past the '$60 is too much for a tire' way of thinking.
A few years ago, my wife explained it to me, 'Those 2 skinny tires are as important to your health as the 4 on the car, so get good ones.' Since then - i always have.
My 'problem' is that i've focused on my tubular wheeled bikes, and need some high-end clinchers so as to ride those bikes more often.
Tires can Make a Ride.
A few years ago, my wife explained it to me, 'Those 2 skinny tires are as important to your health as the 4 on the car, so get good ones.' Since then - i always have.
My 'problem' is that i've focused on my tubular wheeled bikes, and need some high-end clinchers so as to ride those bikes more often.
Tires can Make a Ride.
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12-21-19, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by repechage
25 mm hard to find and not that cheap.
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Originally Posted by pastorbobnlnh
In this case, Vittoria Rallys are tan wall, look classic, and are one of the most affordable new tubular tires which are easily available.
12-21-19, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Wileyone
True... but they ride like a garden hose full of frozen water.
12-21-19, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 6Speed
Looking to replace some dry rotted tubulars on a bike I just bought. Wondering what tires folks like and ride these days? Preferably skinwall. 
At the moment I have Gommitalia Espresso 21 mm on my Mondonico, and Vittoria Rallye 25 mm on my Masi GC. Masi hasn't been getting much use so I should probably re-glue the tires. I have some Jantex tape lying around and getting old - use it before it's toast! Unless I can find some better tires in my Tire Box ...
12-21-19, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Wileyone
True... but they ride like a garden hose full of frozen water.
12-21-19, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by repechage
Such high standards. At $7.30 each landed I was not too picky.
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Originally Posted by Wileyone
I guess not at that price. I will say one thing good about them they are nicer than the Conti Giros,.
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Originally Posted by repechage
Such high standards. At $7.30 each landed I was not too picky.
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12-21-19, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted by repechage
Such high standards. At $7.30 each landed I was not too picky.
LOL. Cheap is good. I used to buy the cheapest sew ups I could find BITD. Typically paid $9-10 or so with my bike shop discount. Some were better than others. I was a poor teenager and rode a lot of miles. Even the cheapest sewups used to be way better than the best clincher, so it was fine. When I got on my $$$ Criterium Seta race wheels on the weekend, it made me appreciate them that much more.
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Cheap ones Rally's and Domestiques.
12-22-19, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by DiabloScott
Well, I hope you put them on some wheels with heavy rims and rusty hubs to get the whole experience.
12-22-19, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by masi61
How widespread is the use of sealant in tubular tires? I have not tried it before. I have read here (in other tubular tire threads) that putting sealant in a tubular tire has several down sides. It might be OK if all I rode were the same set of tubular wheels all the time, it my tubular tire bikes are more of Sunday riders. I would be concerned about congealed sealant creating an imbalance. Also, as the latex tube naturally deflates, re-jflating with sticky latex sealant on the inside sounds like a recipe for prematurely ruining the tire.
I have used Orange Seal, Orange Seal Endurance and Panaracer Seal Smart. No claims for Stan's or any of the others. Most reassuring use has been on Schwalbe S-One with the light butyl tube. Inside a butyl tube the sealant might as well still be in the original bottle. Slashed a tire over two years old and all sealant still wet.
You should use your tires. Since they are now flat free (prayers) why not?
12-23-19, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BengalCat
Bontrager AW3 Hardcase Lite with 120 TPI. My favorite tire for years.
Did you mean the R4 320? $99.00 thru Trek.
12-23-19, 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Wildwood
Trek spec says CLINCHER. Not tubular.
Did you mean the R4 320? $99.00 thru Trek.
Did you mean the R4 320? $99.00 thru Trek.
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Timely thread as I'm shipping for some tubulars now.
According to https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/
Vittoria Corsa are pretty low rolling resistance. Although not many tubular models are tested here.
According to https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/
Vittoria Corsa are pretty low rolling resistance. Although not many tubular models are tested here.
12-23-19, 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TenGrainBread
OP is asking about tubular tires, not clinchers.
12-23-19, 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BengalCat
In mitigation, I am seriously mentally averse to tubular tires..
Reformed glue sniffers? People who are attached to their tire levers? Heavy wheel lovers? Tubeless loonies? 40psi-ers? Unbelievers?
Mentally averse seems a mild condition. Maybe even solvable with help, but i'm not a reformer.
Besides, the very best clinchers are really nice, too.
12-23-19, 12:20 PM
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Roadways up here in Winterpeg are incredibly tough on tubulars due to all of the pavement cracks and potholes caused by the freeze/thaw cycles. I was riding heavy Vittorias (Rally) for a number of years but had a lot better success (fewer flats) with Hutchinson Reflex this year. They are also a heavy inexpensive tire but do have replaceable valves.
More expensive lighter tubulars simply aren't an option for everyday riding as they simply don't stand up.
My recent switch from glue to tape also has saved me around $1500 that I was considering investing on a set of clincher rims. I can now change a flat tubular in about 30 minutes rather than the multiple days with glue. I'm pretty certain the tape isn't going to perform like Tubasti does but it's good enough for casual rides and training.
More expensive lighter tubulars simply aren't an option for everyday riding as they simply don't stand up.
My recent switch from glue to tape also has saved me around $1500 that I was considering investing on a set of clincher rims. I can now change a flat tubular in about 30 minutes rather than the multiple days with glue. I'm pretty certain the tape isn't going to perform like Tubasti does but it's good enough for casual rides and training.
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