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Making the 3Rensho I can't afford

Old 12-22-19, 04:55 PM
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Making the 3Rensho I can't afford

I have always wanted a Rensho but as time goes by they get more and more expensive, $1400.00 and up
. So while surfing eBay one day I can across reproduction Rensho decals and remembered I had an old Japanese frame in the shed and started thinking why not make one? After all there is a big kit car market. The old frame was in sad shape so I had it sandblasted, did a little bodywork to it and now I have a replica 3Rensho frame. The first picture was my reference photo, the others mine. The color is not an exact match but is close enough although the bright sun makes it look way off but overall I am happy with how it turned out. I will post more as it goes together but for now it needs to cure for a little while before I start putting parts onto it. Let me know what you guys think of it.



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Looks nice enough to me (looking at small pix on my phone). Will it be obvious to the untrained eye that it's a faux Rensho? My concern wouldn't be misrepresentation by you, but by whoever winds up owning it sometime after you.
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I had that thought also so I stamped "REPLICA" on the bottom of the B/B right under the serial number
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Didn't someone do this with a wanna be De Rosa a year or so ago?
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To each their own. Not something I would want to do, but if it makes you happy then so be it, i guess.

What was the frame originally? Based on the pics, it looks like it was at least mid-level based on the stays and dropouts, as well as the lug work on the bb shell.
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It was a Centurion, very plentiful around here and affordable. This is what it looked like before sandblasting.
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Nice job, paint looks great. I certainly would've been fooled without a closer look. Good idea on the "replica" stamping as well.

As far as an actual 3rensho frame goes, you're mistaken if you think the cheapest you can get one is for $1400. On ebay, yeah, prices will be high, but you should look at the Japanese Yahoo Auctions page. For example I see a few 3rensho Super Record Export frames in really great condition for $375-700 on Yahoo Auctions now. There are sites like Jauce where you can purchase Yahoo Auctions bikes and they will automatically ship it internationally to you for about $200. So you're looking at about $600-900 for a frame. Not super cheap, but a lot better than $1400. Keep in mind that sites like Jauce will generally only ship frames, not complete bikes. I've used Jauce a couple times and they are very reliable and pack well.

https://www.jauce.com/auction/k429685458
https://www.jauce.com/auction/n390054251
https://www.jauce.com/auction/l548910914

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Originally Posted by cdaniels View Post
It was a Centurion, very plentiful around here and affordable. This is what it looked like before sandblasting.
You may regret this.

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Old 12-22-19, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
You may regret this.

Why would I regret it?
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
You may regret this.

Yup - who's passing out the torches and pitchforks?



I personally think it looks great, and the paintwork is super. I'd like to see that "Replica" stamping on the BB shell

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Originally Posted by TenGrainBread View Post
Nice job, paint looks great. I certainly would've been fooled without a closer look. Good idea on the "replica" stamping as well.

As far as an actual 3rensho frame goes, you're mistaken if you think the cheapest you can get one is for $1400. On ebay, yeah, prices will be high, but you should look at the Japanese Yahoo Auctions page. For example I see a few 3rensho Super Record Export frames in really great condition for $375-700 on Yahoo Auctions now. There are sites like Jauce where you can purchase Yahoo Auctions bikes and they will automatically ship it internationally to you for about $200. So you're looking at about $600-900 for a frame. Not super cheap, but a lot better than $1400. Keep in mind that sites like Jauce will generally only ship frames, not complete bikes. I've used Jauce a couple times and they are very reliable and pack well.

https://www.jauce.com/auction/k429685458
https://www.jauce.com/auction/n390054251
https://www.jauce.com/auction/l548910914

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Interesting site, never heard of it. I see they do have some good stuff. Still out out of my range. I'm looking to stay under $300 finished on this project
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Ya shouldn't regret it. It's a free country, and life's too short

+1 for a pic of the stamping on the BB. I like seeing a good stamping
Underappreciated metalwork, stamping is. That is, until you find a Holdsworth where you can't read half the dang number!
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Bianchigirll it was the Movie Masi repro from Breaking away. What a crap storm of hate.
This looks nice and marked with replica should help clear the air.
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
Yup - who's passing out the torches and pitchforks?



I personally think it looks great, and the paintwork is super. I'd like to see that "Replica" stamping on the BB shell

DD
Ok here you go
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It’s yours do what you want. I think it looks great, very nice work so far. I built a 1953 Ford F-100 and put
a Chevy 350 in it. I caught a lot of flak on that, but I was happy with it.
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Originally Posted by TenGrainBread View Post
Nice job, paint looks great. I certainly would've been fooled without a closer look. Good idea on the "replica" stamping as well.

As far as an actual 3rensho frame goes, you're mistaken if you think the cheapest you can get one is for $1400. On ebay, yeah, prices will be high, but you should look at the Japanese Yahoo Auctions page. For example I see a few 3rensho Super Record Export frames in really great condition for $375-700 on Yahoo Auctions now. There are sites like Jauce where you can purchase Yahoo Auctions bikes and they will automatically ship it internationally to you for about $200. So you're looking at about $600-900 for a frame. Not super cheap, but a lot better than $1400. Keep in mind that sites like Jauce will generally only ship frames, not complete bikes. I've used Jauce a couple times and they are very reliable and pack well.

https://www.jauce.com/auction/k429685458
https://www.jauce.com/auction/n390054251
https://www.jauce.com/auction/l548910914

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Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
Didn't someone do this with a wanna be De Rosa a year or so ago?

One member did a MASI using a TREK , IIRC he caught a lot of flak for that ...

I am somewhat ambivalent concerning "replica" or "tribute" bikes , however to the untrained eye one of these could end up being passed off as real to those not fully versed in a given maker of bike. As such I am starting to see a trend I am not entirely comfortable with ....
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Originally Posted by cdaniels View Post
I had that thought also so I stamped "REPLICA" on the bottom of the B/B right under the serial number
Bravo!
Nice project.
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The replica stamping is kind of overkill. Anyone buying a 3Rensho should be knowledgeable enough to know the serial is not a 3Rensho format. I come from the camp where you should know what you are buying. I like the paint.
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Opened thread, squinting eyes.

Anyways, the real deal is having a Centurion made by ZUNOW.

Out

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Originally Posted by cdaniels View Post
Why would I regret it?
These builds and threads usually bring the claws out, the Masi/Trek Breaking Away and a stunning Merckx 10th anniversary tribute/replica's that were built took a lot of heat despite being very well done with zero malfeasance.
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Originally Posted by Drillium Dude View Post
Yup - who's passing out the torches and pitchforks?



I personally think it looks great, and the paintwork is super. I'd like to see that "Replica" stamping on the BB shell

DD
The next owner is screwed when they turn it into a "Centurion".
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Bianchi is right. In addition to the movie Masi and the Merckx tribute, there was a bike that got turned into a DeRosa 3 or 4 years ago.

Here is my Trek in Masi mode. Add decals and it's a Masi.

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Originally Posted by cdaniels View Post
Ok here you go
Looks like the resident Spanish Inquisitors can put the pitchforks away now, seeing as the frame is carrying a permanent disclaimer.

I do find it fairly amusing that most upper mid-range Japanese/Taiwanese frames from the 1980's are built so nicely and consistently that they can pull off the look of a handbuilt grail bike from 10 feet away.

You can't do that with a 1970's Raleigh

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