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Old 02-06-20, 05:18 PM
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The Univega Gran Tourismo was built by Miyata, and is pretty much a Miyata 610 by another name -- other than if you look closely, the Uni has mid-fork braze-ons and the rear rack mounting braze-ons are on the inside of the seat stays...

BTW, here's a pic of my '84 Univega Gran Tourismo 'before':




And the pile of parts that went on it:







I never got around to taking an 'After' pic yet - and I'm not trudging out to the detached garage in an ice storm to do it!

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Originally Posted by jlaw View Post
That's a nice bike and it looks like most of the vintage components can be cleaned/greased/re-used in order to keep costs down without sacrificing functionality. The tires are a decent size and you might be able to fit slightly bigger. It's interesting to see an old 650b rim.

Re: the size - I suggest that you set the seat height properly for your leg length and then place a level from the seat toward the front of the bike. Measure the height from the 'leveled' level to the top of the headset. This will give the nec. stem reveal to get your bars level with your seat (assuming you want this). The Nitto Technomic 1" threaded stem is known to be one of the longer stem offerings and it has a minimum insertion that yields 160 mm of reveal (max.) above the headset.

This should give you some idea of whether you can make this 23" frame work for you.

https://www.amazon.com/Nitto-Technom.../dp/B001GSSI1I

Yes, I did the same to a Raleigh R300 touring that was too small. The Technomic works well. Many an undersized frame can work well with that if the seat tube is doable.
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Originally Posted by Salamandrine View Post
Wow. You did the right thing, but the kid may have thought you were just trying to squeeze him for some more accessory money...

The weird thing to me is that 650B is or at least was the French 26" size. You'd think Raleigh would have used a good British size like 26 x 1 3/8" / EA3. IIRC early brit MTB's used 650B, which must be the reason they spec'd it.
Probably because of the limited width choices available with 650A 26 1 3/8. Today there's a Panaracer offering that's a little on the fat side but otherwise, you can have any width you want as long a it's 35mm. That's fine for me running my Raleigh Sports around the city of Houston, but I understand the desire for wider tires, particularly with a bike designed for loaded touring.
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Originally Posted by Cougrrcj View Post
The Univega Gran Tourismo was built by Miyata, and is pretty much a Miyata 610 by another name -- other than if you look closely, the Uni has mid-fork braze-ons and the rear rack mounting braze-ons are on the inside of the seat stays...

BTW, here's a pic of my '84 Univega Gran Tourismo 'before':

I never got around to taking an 'After' pic yet - and I'm not trudging out to the detached garage in an ice storm to do it!
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I have an '84 Gran Turismo that I've really come to love. The frame's a little big for me, but I'm not willing to give it up.
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Old 02-08-20, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Egginahole View Post

Here's that Miyata 610 I found for reference and ability to post pictures.
That's a clean looking 610.
It must be a lot lighter than my 1985 610 as I do not have to have hooks to hold it from floating off. Ha!
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Velcro Cannondale water bottle! Havenít seen one of those since about 1986 or so...
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Old 02-15-20, 09:36 AM
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Still looking for my first Cresta.... enjoy that machine!
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Still looking for my first Cresta...
I brought this one home today after finding it a couple of weeks ago on FB Marketplace, a Cresta GT. I did not immediately contact the seller, hoping it would go away quickly but it didn't. I gave it every chance to escape.
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Originally Posted by uprightbent View Post
Here's my 84' 610, all dressed up after a complete tear down and rebuild. Loving it.




Nice Miyata! Question: I just put the same bottle cage and similar water bottle on my 1985 310 and the thing rattles like crazy. Does yours?



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Originally Posted by polymorphself View Post
Nice Miyata! Question: I just put the same bottle cage and similar water bottle on my 1985 310 and the thing rattles like crazy. Does yours?


Thanks! I think I prefer the blue shade on yours better. Regarding the Kleen Kanteen noise, I removed the hook loop on the bamboo lid since it's likely the cause of the noise. It's a tight fit, so you'll need to spread it enough to avoid scratching the sides of the cap when you pull it off.
Besides that, I'd keep bending the cage until the bottle is reasonable snug in there, although the noise was probably from the cap loop.
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Old 02-17-20, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by uprightbent View Post
Thanks! I think I prefer the blue shade on yours better. Regarding the Kleen Kanteen noise, I removed the hook loop on the bamboo lid since it's likely the cause of the noise. It's a tight fit, so you'll need to spread it enough to avoid scratching the sides of the cap when you pull it off.
Besides that, I'd keep bending the cage until the bottle is reasonable snug in there, although the noise was probably from the cap loop.
Wait, just noticed you have the VO Modern cage. I had two of those originally. I love that design, but it does not keep the bottle firmly in place, allowing it bob up and down vertically. I switched back to their retro style cages with no rattling at all, since I could never get a heavy filled bottle to rest solidly in that Modern cage.
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Originally Posted by thumpism View Post
I brought this one home today after finding it a couple of weeks ago on FB Marketplace, a Cresta GT. I did not immediately contact the seller, hoping it would go away quickly but it didn't. I gave it every chance to escape.
That's how I got an Ď83 Trek 720, waited two or three weeks before contacting the seller. I didnt need another bike (Ha! Almost said with a straight face!!) and it was priced... fairly.
Anyway, I gave it a fair shake to run off and she followed me home instead, must be true love!



(seat post slipped a bit, I promise it fits lol)
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Originally Posted by uprightbent View Post
Wait, just noticed you have the VO Modern cage. I had two of those originally. I love that design, but it does not keep the bottle firmly in place, allowing it bob up and down vertically. I switched back to their retro style cages with no rattling at all, since I could never get a heavy filled bottle to rest solidly in that Modern cage.
Wait, so, the one in. your photo is also modern, right? So you no longer use that one? And in my case taking the hook loop off probably won't help. Bummer! I like the look of this cage.

If I had to use another from them I'd prefer it be the course cage, no idea if that one will have the same issue though...

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Wait, so, the one in. your photo is also modern, right? So you no longer use that one? And in my case taking the hook loop off probably won't help. Bummer! I like the look of this cage.
Yes, I just realized the older photo showed that cage, which I also really liked. If you lift the bottle while itís in the cage, you can feel how itíll bob up and down.
I switched to the retro cages which hold them firmly, but still found it necessary to remove the noisy loops from the caps. Hope this helps.

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Originally Posted by Chr0m0ly View Post
Anyway, I gave it a fair shake to run off and she followed me home instead...
Mine was even troublesome for me and I nearly bailed a couple of times. The guy sounded like a flake and didn't/wouldn't answer questions. He lives two hours east and was driving to work at a place one hour west and could not be bothered to meet at the interstate exit three minutes from my house, and while driving to meet him at work there was a pileup on the highway that stalled me, and he chose a meeting place off a bypass through a town that had three approaches but not from the direction I was approaching from so I had to wander around town to find the place. I had to work for this one and probably should not have bought it, but what the hell.
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An embarrassment of riches, really. Round here we donít get ďchoicesĒ of multiple dedicated touring bikes. The choice is made for you, and that usually is not which nice touring bike to buy because they donít exist! Been on the lookout for a blue and white Nishiki Cresta GT for years now with no luck. Sweet!
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Originally Posted by Smokinapankake View Post
An embarrassment of riches, really. Round here we donít get ďchoicesĒ of multiple dedicated touring bikes. The choice is made for you, and that usually is not which nice touring bike to buy because they donít exist! Been on the lookout for a blue and white Nishiki Cresta GT for years now with no luck. Sweet!
What size do you need? We can be on the lookout for you. Dedicated Craigslist and FB Marketplace mavens love to spend other people's money.
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Originally Posted by uprightbent View Post
Thanks! I think I prefer the blue shade on yours better. Regarding the Kleen Kanteen noise, I removed the hook loop on the bamboo lid since it's likely the cause of the noise. It's a tight fit, so you'll need to spread it enough to avoid scratching the sides of the cap when you pull it off.
Besides that, I'd keep bending the cage until the bottle is reasonable snug in there, although the noise was probably from the cap loop.

Something I have done is put an old sock around the bottle to cushion the stainless steel kleen kanteen from the stainless bottle cage. YMMV
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I was given my '90 Schwinn Voyageur by a relative who bought it new. He is shorter than me, and at 6'2 the 58CM Voyageur is too small for me so I had a difficult time getting it set up for a more comfortable ride. It is currently having Nitto Albatross bars installed with a Technomic stem as my homage to the the short-lived Raleigh Lenton Tourist, where Raleigh took their lightweight road frame, alloy components, and gave it a more upright posture for all-day tour riding (seen at Peter Kohler's website here https://www.sheldonbrown.com/retrora...ourist-50.html I have some cork grips from Rivendell with holes for the bar-end shifters that I'm going to shellac to match the brown Brooks. The bike is largely unchanged from stock apart from a new cassette, chain, and tires.

This is the bike last Spring. The proportions with a drop bar were not a great fit for my long legs and short torso. After I rode my big Peugeot, I realized how uncomfortable the Voyageur was and decided to make it into an all-day rider that I could tour with. I would LOVE to find another Voyageur or equivalent frame in my size of 60 or even 62cm though that might be a very French fit. I'd just switch the parts over. We'll see how the Albatross bars help, but I am going to keep an eye out for any opportunity to trade for a frame in my size. I'm not enamored with the colour, so it would be OK for it to move along.

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What size do you need? We can be on the lookout for you. Dedicated Craigslist and FB Marketplace mavens love to spend other people's money.
Iím somewhere around a 56; my mtb top tubes run 23Ē-ish and a seat tube around 19Ē-ish. I really should get a pro fit done to nail it down...

I have virtually zero miles on road bikes so sizing is something I need to spend time learning... and like everyone else, it would be a N+1 bike for me so itís gotta be cheap to maintain peace at home- even if it is cheap the peace is precarious with regard to bikes.

but yeah, a Cresta GT in blue and white is very close to the top of my unicorn list.
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Update on my bike situation. The Raleigh has been taken apart and all the parts cleaned and polished. It's definitely to small for me, so it's going to get put back together and hopefully one of my friends will purchase this sweet ride.

I found and purchased an 25 inch 1983 Miyata 610. The 83 and 84 appear to be the same specs from what I can tell. This is all original, used condition. It works but all the consumables should be updated. Minimal rust a few rocks chips. Looks good, purchased for a fair price.

126mm rear spacing so modern 130 mm axle is no issue. The problem I'm trying to understand is the brakes with 700c wheels. Seems like many people make exceptions but I can't tell if the set up and performance is worth the hastle. I also can't tell what parts would be easy to source.

If no good options come up I guess I'm looking into modern 27inch wheels. Thanks to the few folks i sent direct messages on for specific feedback!

​​​​​​This bike is still assembled so I don't have the info on the bottom bracket sizing yet but I'm leaning towards something modern cartrige based and adding a couple gears.

Feel free to message any knowledge my way! the

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The Portage looks good. What's the frame size and standover height and (I can't believe I'm actually asking this) how much do you want for it? I hope it's too small. I just bought an '80s tourer that I have not ridden yet that is also 27" so I'm looking to fit 700C wheels and am going through the canti pile to see if I have anything with short enough reach to make that work. I have some oddball stuff like Paul's, Onza and Curve that might work.
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Man that is a clean 610!! I wish my '84 had been that clean (paint-wise), because I wouldn't have powder coated it. Mr. Egg and I have been going back and forth on things, and I realize yet another thread of mine has had its images removed as it was the hosting-era of BF as opposed to the era of uploading from your computer (now). Since I am totally not at work right now and have no access to my library of photos of my 610, I will share the only one that's on hand (thankfully).

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Originally Posted by Egginahole View Post
Update on my bike situation. The Raleigh has been taken apart and all the parts cleaned and polished. It's definitely to small for me, so it's going to get put back together and hopefully one of my friends will purchase this sweet ride.

I found and purchased an 25 inch 1983 Miyata 610. The 83 and 84 appear to be the same specs from what I can tell. This is all original, used condition. It works but all the consumables should be updated. Minimal rust a few rocks chips. Looks good, purchased for a fair price.

126mm rear spacing so modern 130 mm axle is no issue. The problem I'm trying to understand is the brakes with 700c wheels. Seems like many people make exceptions but I can't tell if the set up and performance is worth the hastle. I also can't tell what parts would be easy to source.

If no good options come up I guess I'm looking into modern 27inch wheels. Thanks to the few folks i sent direct messages on for specific feedback!

​​​​​​This bike is still assembled so I don't have the info on the bottom bracket sizing yet but I'm leaning towards something modern cartrige based and adding a couple gears.

Feel free to message any knowledge my way! the
My 1982 Miyata 1000 used to have 27 inch wheels until I swapped them for 700c wheels. The brakes I used were Shimano MT-60 canti's and they had enough reach to go from 27 inch to 700c without any issue.
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