Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Choosing Mid 80s touring

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Choosing Mid 80s touring

Old 02-02-20, 12:25 PM
  #1  
Egginahole
Perfect bike?
Thread Starter
 
Egginahole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Milwaukee
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 3 Posts
Choosing Mid 80s touring

New member here! I've enjoyed reading a lot of old posts! I'm looking to get a new to me touring bike. I currently have a Felt F85,Surly Krampus, and a Burly Tandem.

My goal is to have a comfortable all arounder that I can ride to work with a day's lunch or maybe a light camping trip. A relaxed geometry is something I don't have with the other bikes.
I need to be able to fit racks and fenders together.

I'm 6'3 185 so finding a tall used bike is always a challenge.

I've happened to find a Raleigh Portage that appears to be an 1986 with the 650b. Used condition.

1984 Trek 620 frame and fork only at my local bike coop that they could help me piece together with used parts.

Believe an 1985 Miyata 610 garage queen.

Thanks for your feedback
Egginahole is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 12:48 PM
  #2  
dedhed
SE Wis
 
dedhed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 6,830

Bikes: '68 Raleigh Sprite, '02 Raleigh C500, '84 Raleigh Gran Prix, '91 Trek 400

Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1306 Post(s)
Liked 715 Times in 492 Posts
Show us your Vintage Touring bikes
dedhed is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 01:45 PM
  #3  
plonz 
Senior Member
 
plonz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Northampton, MA
Posts: 2,289
Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 480 Post(s)
Liked 116 Times in 86 Posts
Welcome to the forum. Up for a project? I have a 62cm Specialized Expedition that I rode for a lot of years and unfortunately have let deteriorate. Stem is currently seized and it will need a repaint due to a lot of rust. Fresh decals are readily available and I still have all the 1983 pieces for it. It’s capable of being restored to its former glory but it will take some effort.
plonz is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 01:54 PM
  #4  
brian3069 
Senior Member
 
brian3069's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,739

Bikes: Raleigh Supercourse

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 156 Post(s)
Liked 76 Times in 43 Posts
Assuming it's a 25" frame and the condition is good, the Portage would be a no brainer for me. But, you can't go wrong any of the three.
brian3069 is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 02:08 PM
  #5  
clubman 
Youngman Grand
 
clubman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 6,642

Bikes: roadsters, club bikes, fixed and classic

Mentioned: 93 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1442 Post(s)
Liked 490 Times in 329 Posts
Garage queen Miyata for me, if only to avoid super expensive 650B tires. That's a long term bike.
clubman is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 03:09 PM
  #6  
mstateglfr 
Sunshine
 
mstateglfr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: Des Moines, IA
Posts: 10,765

Bikes: '18 class built steel roadbike, '19 Fairlight Secan, '88 Schwinn Premis , Black Mountain Cycles Monstercross V4, '89 Novara Trionfo

Mentioned: 94 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4252 Post(s)
Liked 1,275 Times in 790 Posts
An 85 miyata 610 was a solid touring bike.
Personally, a lot would change for any of the bikes to make it a better fit for what I want/need.

- swap the 27" wheels for some modern quality 700c wheels with 36 spokes. A modern rim profile is inherently stronger/stiffer(whatever you want to call it) than 35 year old single wall box rims.
this will give you room for a larger tire too.

- modern aero brake levers and new brake pads for better/easier

- wider handlebar with modern compact bend for comfort and versatility.

- bar end shifters or STI shifters. Microshift or Shimano, whichever has best price for the drivetrain setup I want(3x9 for example) that gives good gesr range.



That list may seem like a lot, but it really isnt. Any bike you get will need to be completely overhauled due to age to ensure its greased and adjusted properly, so slapping on a handful of different t components while you are at it isnt too much extra work.
mstateglfr is offline  
Likes For mstateglfr:
Old 02-02-20, 03:43 PM
  #7  
Egginahole
Perfect bike?
Thread Starter
 
Egginahole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Milwaukee
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 3 Posts
I think the toughest part is these are all considered rare being 35 years old. I've never ridden any of them and they are all someone's favorite bike. Really hard to go wrong if they are in good condition.
I agree that they each need to be modernization in some capacity. I'm looking to use this bike not a show piece.

Price wise the Trek 620 frame and fork is $185. The coop felt confident I could build it with used parts for under $400.

Miyata 610 is $225

Raleigh Portage $200

I would like to stay within $400 on any of these. I will most likely be using the coop to help with any of these as my bike repair skills are pretty limited.
Other thought is to buy the Miyata and the Raleigh and sell one after. Looks like the market is still strong in some areas for these models.
Egginahole is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 03:46 PM
  #8  
jlaw
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 895

Bikes: 2015 Spec. AWOL Elite, 2007 Spec. Roubaix Elite, 2003 Spec. Big Hit 2, 1998 VooDoo Zobop, 1985 Trek 410, 1984 Trek 620 1985 Trek 620

Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 352 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 110 Times in 70 Posts
Originally Posted by Egginahole View Post
New member here! I've enjoyed reading a lot of old posts! I'm looking to get a new to me touring bike. I currently have a Felt F85,Surly Krampus, and a Burly Tandem.

My goal is to have a comfortable all arounder that I can ride to work with a day's lunch or maybe a light camping trip. A relaxed geometry is something I don't have with the other bikes.
I need to be able to fit racks and fenders together.

I'm 6'3 185 so finding a tall used bike is always a challenge.

I've happened to find a Raleigh Portage that appears to be an 1986 with the 650b. Used condition.

1984 Trek 620 frame and fork only at my local bike coop that they could help me piece together with used parts.

Believe an 1985 Miyata 610 garage queen.

Thanks for your feedback
I have a 1984 Trek 620. Be aware that the canti posts on the fork are very close together - approx. 60 mm - and this means that you may be limited to certain vintage brakes in order to get the nec. separation between the pads. These brakes can be found on ebay and elsewhere, but you need to know what to get. Comment #18 in the following post will provide some insight.
New to Me - 1985 Trek 620 - As Found In The Wild

Comment #18 on the following thread also has some helpful info.
700c on my Trek 620 - will this work? (pics)

Also, if you want to use 700c wheels on the Trek 620 (it came with 27") it will help to have brakes with up/down adjustment. 650b will not work on this Trek - the canti posts are too high on the fork.

Outside of this issue, the Trek 620 has comfortable geometry - made from 531cs Reynolds steel tubing - and can be readily updated to modern componentry if you wish It is one of the pinnacle designs of classic mid-80's touring bikes. Given your height, you will probably want the 24" or 25.5" frame.

Here is the original brochure: https://vintage-trek.com/images/trek/84Trek3Touring.pdf

The Raleigh Portage and the Miyata 610 are also nice bikes, but I have no experience with them.

Good Luck.
jlaw is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 03:52 PM
  #9  
RH Clark
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Posts: 259
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 142 Post(s)
Liked 107 Times in 55 Posts
I would be all over that Portage just based on reputation. I don't have any touring experience. I'm pretty bad to research a thing to death before jumping and I have heard lots of good on that bike.

$200 don't seem like much these days. Am I crazy but have bike prices on Facebook went way up in just the last 2 years? It seems like the ripple started with new bikes and has really stirred up the used market, at least to me.
RH Clark is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 05:08 PM
  #10  
clubman 
Youngman Grand
 
clubman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 6,642

Bikes: roadsters, club bikes, fixed and classic

Mentioned: 93 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1442 Post(s)
Liked 490 Times in 329 Posts
Originally Posted by Egginahole View Post
I think the toughest part is these are all considered rare being 35 years old. I've never ridden any of them and they are all someone's favorite bike. Really hard to go wrong if they are in good condition.
I agree that they each need to be modernization in some capacity. I'm looking to use this bike not a show piece.

Price wise the Trek 620 frame and fork is $185. The coop felt confident I could build it with used parts for under $400.

Miyata 610 is $225

Raleigh Portage $200

I would like to stay within $400 on any of these. I will most likely be using the coop to help with any of these as my bike repair skills are pretty limited.
Other thought is to buy the Miyata and the Raleigh and sell one after. Looks like the market is still strong in some areas for these models.
None of these are expensive so go take a ride on them (soon!) and pick one. Can't overthink it.
clubman is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 05:14 PM
  #11  
bikemig 
Senior Member
 
bikemig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Posts: 17,334

Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones

Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4626 Post(s)
Liked 1,012 Times in 691 Posts
I like all 3 bikes but I'd opt for the complete bikes (Raleigh and Miyata) over the project (Trek frame and fork). As between the Raleigh and Miyata, I'd go for the Miyata mainly because of the 650b wheels. Fat tires are good on a touring bike.
bikemig is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 05:22 PM
  #12  
Egginahole
Perfect bike?
Thread Starter
 
Egginahole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Milwaukee
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 3 Posts
Originally Posted by bikemig View Post
I like all 3 bikes but I'd opt for the complete bikes (Raleigh and Miyata) over the project (Trek frame and fork). As between the Raleigh and Miyata, I'd go for the Miyata mainly because of the 650b wheels. Fat tires are good on a touring bike.
Do you mean Raleigh because of the 650b, Miyata has 27" stock.
Egginahole is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 05:34 PM
  #13  
bikemig 
Senior Member
 
bikemig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Middle Earth (aka IA)
Posts: 17,334

Bikes: A bunch of old bikes and a few new ones

Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4626 Post(s)
Liked 1,012 Times in 691 Posts
Originally Posted by Egginahole View Post
Do you mean Raleigh because of the 650b, Miyata has 27" stock.
right, The 650b will let run a fatter tire and you will have more tire choices
bikemig is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 05:35 PM
  #14  
Egginahole
Perfect bike?
Thread Starter
 
Egginahole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Milwaukee
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 3 Posts
The Miyata is listed as a 25 inch. It's for sale about 6 hours away but I have a connection to the location via a coworkers brother. I would only be able to ride it after the sale.
The Raleigh ilisted as 25 inch and a bit over an hour away.
Trek is listed as 64cm I could stand over it with some random wheels under it. Not sure is 64 is accurate size for 84?

​​​​​​I have just over 34 inseam. Stand over is no prob. I just don't want to long of a reach which would ruin the whole point of a comfortable touring bike
Egginahole is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 10:03 PM
  #15  
Hobbiano 
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Location: Baton Rouge La
Posts: 669
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 194 Post(s)
Liked 57 Times in 51 Posts
If the Portage and the Miyata 610 are both in nice shape, I'd get them both - then try to decide which one I liked best. Those are good prices for great bikes.
Hobbiano is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 10:09 PM
  #16  
Egginahole
Perfect bike?
Thread Starter
 
Egginahole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Milwaukee
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 3 Posts
This 650b set up is sounding more favorable. Our tandem is rolling on 700x38.love that set up comfortable and stable. I'm quite confident the Miyata or Trek can't roll that size and fenders. While given the extra volume of 650b and pictures I've seen it sure looks possible to have fenders.
Egginahole is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 10:27 PM
  #17  
nlerner
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 13,277
Mentioned: 294 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1683 Post(s)
Liked 822 Times in 467 Posts
Originally Posted by clubman View Post
Garage queen Miyata for me, if only to avoid super expensive 650B tires. That's a long term bike.
Well, you can get perfectly fine 650b x 38mm Pacenti Pari-Moto tires at Target for $36 each. Not as cheap as 700c Paselas but still a lot less than Compass/Herse.
nlerner is offline  
Old 02-02-20, 10:31 PM
  #18  
escii_35
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: PNW lifer
Posts: 580

Bikes: 2007 C-dale 63cm T series. My 1994 was a better design 1994 Bianchi 61cm El/OS Sachs 2004 Rodreguiz 26' UTB touring thing

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 47 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts
Yes, to the triple and quad butted mid eighties miyatas. However, in the 25in size I love a Cannondale. Unloaded the Cannondale's can be harsh but in loaded mode they sing.
escii_35 is offline  
Old 02-03-20, 12:33 AM
  #19  
Chr0m0ly 
Senior Member
 
Chr0m0ly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: Hamilton Heights, Manhattan, New York, NY
Posts: 1,581

Bikes: '84 Miyata 610 '85 Miyata 710, 86 Miyata 710, 91 Cannondale ST600, 84 Trek 610, 520, 620, 91 Miyata 1000LT, a few frames, some odds and ends....

Mentioned: 12 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 623 Post(s)
Liked 235 Times in 150 Posts
^^^
Good point, the larger Cannondales are pretty choice. Especially for loaded touring, those phat tubes don't wobble!

I have two Cannondale ST's, an '84 Miyata 610, and an '84 Trek 620.

First off, the Trek is either a 24" or a 25.5" size. I'd double check that size because if it's the 24" it might be a bit small for you.

The Raleigh I have no experience with. Personally I think a 650b wheelset would be awesome, and there are some pretty sweet tires being made in that size. They're "in" at the moment.

The '85 610 is sweet bike. My '84 has a Hi-ten fork, but in '85 they up graded to a Manga-lite fork. It makes a stout bike even stronger.

If you want to do serious fully loaded tours I'd tell you to go for the Miyata over the Trek. The '84 Trek has an .8 .5 .8 butted top tube, and they can be a little flexy in the larger sizes. My Trek is a 24" and it's a touch sensitive to weight placement.

You'll also be able to fit wider rubber on the Miyata. Without fenders my '84 Miyata will just pass 700cx41mm tires. I haven't maxed out my Trek but I don't think you could go much fatter than 700x32mm, possibly 35mm. That gets you 35/38mm with fenders on the Miyata and 28mm (32 if you're lucky) on the Trek.
Chr0m0ly is offline  
Likes For Chr0m0ly:
Old 02-03-20, 01:27 AM
  #20  
Lascauxcaveman 
Senior Member
 
Lascauxcaveman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Port Angeles, WA
Posts: 7,862

Bikes: A green one, "Ragleigh," or something.

Mentioned: 176 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1569 Post(s)
Liked 430 Times in 252 Posts
I'd go for the Portage, too, for the fatter tires. But I'd expect it to be a pound or two heavier than the Miata. Really, I'd like to buy both, then decide. Keep the on you like best; or keep both.

OTOH, if you weigh only 185, you may not feel the need for fatter tires on an "all arounder," so the 27" x 1 1/4 tires on the Miata may be plenty for you.
__________________
● 1971 Grandis SL ● 1972 Lambert Grand Prix frankenbike ● 1972 Raleigh Super Course fixie ● 1973 Nishiki Semi-Pro ● 1980 Apollo "Legnano" ● 1984 Peugeot Vagabond ● 1985 Shogun Prairie Breaker ● 1986 Merckx Super Corsa ● 1987 Schwinn Tempo ● 1988 Schwinn Voyageur ● 1989 Trek 400 ● 1989 Bottechia Team ADR replica ● 1990 Cannondale ST600 ● 1993 Technium RT600 ● 1996 Kona Lava Dome ●

Last edited by Lascauxcaveman; 02-03-20 at 02:21 AM.
Lascauxcaveman is offline  
Old 02-03-20, 01:42 AM
  #21  
Pcampeau
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Minneapolis
Posts: 332

Bikes: 1968 Raleigh Super Course. 1972 Raleigh Professional, 1975 Raleigh International, 1978 Raleigh Professional, 1985 Raleigh Prestige, 1972 Schwinn Paramount, 1980 Schwinn Voyageur 11.8, 1978 Schwinn Varsity, 1976 Peugeot PX10, 1972 Motobecane Le Champ

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 96 Post(s)
Liked 79 Times in 53 Posts
I am waiting for the day when I find a Raleigh Portage for only $200!
Pcampeau is offline  
Likes For Pcampeau:
Old 02-03-20, 07:35 AM
  #22  
eom 
Eccentric Old Man
 
eom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Location: BelleVegas, IL
Posts: 590

Bikes: 1986 Trek 520 Cirrus, 1984 Trek 660, 1979 Schwinn Traveler III, 1996 Waterford 1200, Trek T100, 1995 Trek 970

Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 183 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 33 Times in 23 Posts
Where do you live. If you are close to me, I have two that should fit you and are welcome to test ride. Miyata Two Ten with 38-622 tires or My Trek 520 Cirrus with 83-584 tires.





__________________
Email please, thatbikedude at yahoo dot com
PMs are a pain.
eom
eom is offline  
Likes For eom:
Old 02-03-20, 08:18 AM
  #23  
Egginahole
Perfect bike?
Thread Starter
 
Egginahole's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2020
Location: Milwaukee
Posts: 20
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 3 Posts
I'm still not allowed to post photos so I looked over the Fork of the Miyata. It has the (1024) sticker so high tension steel fork? Possibly an 1984 that the guy bought in 1985. Slight bummer, bike is a dark blue. I'm still waiting to see the frame stickers as they are not visible.

​​​​​​
Egginahole is offline  
Old 02-03-20, 08:24 AM
  #24  
cooperryder
Senior Member
 
cooperryder's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dallas / Ft Worth
Posts: 721
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 108 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 107 Times in 63 Posts
Another category of bike that lends itself to
a variety of builds and configurations that could serve in this capacity are the non suspended vintage mountain bikes.

Many cool bikes to see on these threads.

Great thread here on them converted to drop bars:
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...nversions.html

Thread here on various upright bar conversions:

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...nversions.html

As to a Miyata 610 I picked one up about a month ago and changed it up quite a bit and really like it. It's the coppery brownish one in the first pics.

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-vi...l#post21311212

The hybrid bikes from the 90's are also great for a variety of configurations and fatter tires.

Good luck and safe riding with whatever bike you select.
cooperryder is offline  
Old 02-03-20, 10:13 AM
  #25  
jlaw
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 895

Bikes: 2015 Spec. AWOL Elite, 2007 Spec. Roubaix Elite, 2003 Spec. Big Hit 2, 1998 VooDoo Zobop, 1985 Trek 410, 1984 Trek 620 1985 Trek 620

Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 352 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 110 Times in 70 Posts
Originally Posted by Egginahole View Post
Trek is listed as 64cm I could stand over it with some random wheels under it. Not sure is 64 is accurate size for 84?

If the seller gives you the serial# of the Trek, you can find the size, model, and date of manufacture here: https://vintage-trek.com/SerialNumbers.htm

The 620 should take 700x35mm without fenders and possibly 700x32 with fenders (depending upon the particular fender and mounting.
jlaw is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.