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1988 Schwinn Premis + Sturmey 3 speed - rim brakes (coaster brake content)

Old 02-08-20, 12:05 AM
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1988 Schwinn Premis + Sturmey 3 speed - rim brakes (coaster brake content)

A little while back I was daydreaming about a "modernish" drop bar sturmey archer road bike, and then in the pursuit of making something that is *nothing* like my other bikes I decided it should have only a coaster brake. I went through all sorts of ideas on how to go about the build, eventually realizing that there are so many horizontal drop out road bikes in the world that would be perfect for this. So I looked at the "frame doesn't fit pass it around" thread and Mad Honk was offering up a Schwinn Premis for the cost of shipping! Wooo WOOOOO!!!!! We exchanged some PMs, and he had the original wheels to go with it, AND they were 32 hole wheels which works very well because lacing a 32 hole rim to a 40 hole sturmey hub is fairly easy to pull off.

So, here are the bits that Le Fureiux Honk sent me,



I unlaced the front wheel and polished the hub and used steel wool on the spokes and relaced it with new spoke nipples, I did keep track of the inner and outer spokes for the relace. The rim took a fair bit of fiddling to true up well, but I'm happy with it now. Its a tiny little aero rim, they will give the bike a unique character. I'm sure I can fit 25c tires in this frame,, likely 28s? but the skinny rims are begging for some 23c tires.





Here you can see just how small the cross section of the rim is,



I did cut off unnecessary brazeons from the frame, and added double gang cable stops under the top tube, one for the Sturmey shifter cable, and the other so it will be possible to run a rear rim brake in the future. I the sturmey cable goes to a diving bell cable stop under the seat tub, because who doesn't like diving bell cable stops!






I'll be working down in SoCal for a bit soon, and the shop of the company I work for has a sandblaster and paint room, so I'll only be out the cost of paint for a respray, and I already have proper catalyzed primer. I generally like kind of subdued bikes/colors, but somehow I'm leaning towards metallic purple for this bike, with as much metallic in it as possible, hmmm...

I do already have the hub for the rear wheel, NOS S3C from 1974. All my gears and all my brakes fit in the palm of my hand!



I've been daydreaming of skidding the bike sideways to a stop all over the place, I never skid my bikes now, because tires are thin, and expensive, but I do have quite a few random 25c tires kicking around that would be great sacrifices. I mean, as a kid I loved ripping off coaster brake skids on my bike, and while the list of things that may or may not be missing in my life is debatable, the one thing that isn't debatable is that I need coaster brake skids back in my life. Depending on how rowdy I get with the skids, I'll probably need a stronger rim for the rear wheel. If I keep the sideways skidding limited to good quality smooth concrete I think this rim could be ok, only one way to find out for sure :-)

And if any of you are wondering, "Don't you have like 4 bikes you're messing with right now?" Yea, at least that many, but this is the new shiny thing in the shop and I'm so intrigued by the ultra simple build that I decided to tinker with it this evening instead of working on/finishing any of the other projects:-)
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Old 02-09-20, 11:10 PM
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I see some of you guys chiding each other about this, "Real men ride Dura Ace" and the like, but, is there really that much difference? I've never owned a bike with either, I imagine its a ford chevy argument, and the reality is that while real men can ride either of the 2, the realest, gnarliest of dudes to have ever thrown a leg over a bike rode Sturmey Archer, thus DA and Campy are fighting it out for the second step on the podium when it comes to what real men ride :-)

Tommy Godwin put down 75,000 miles in 1939, in England, while "a war" was going on and he did a bunch of that with a 4 speed sturmey archer. How many of the roads were paved back then? He rode year round in England? What was the weather like? How much must his bike have weighed? He had to stop in towns and get signatures from doctors or police officers to prove he had been where he claimed?

He averaged over 200 miles a day on a bike that every self proclaimed "cyclist" of today would consider a total pile of crap, bikers are fast now, sure, but I'd put this guy and his vegetarian diet up against any of today's ultra endurance cyclists.

Marc Beaumont rode around the world in 79 days and averaged 240 a day, on asphalt, on the best modern bike money can buy, with a chase vehicle, Tommy rode %17 less each day, but rode for 3 times as many days during a war, on questionable roads, having to stop and get signatures to prove where he'd been.

Here are some of Tommy's other achievements, that 12 hour is absurd.
  • 50 miles, 2 hours 10 mins 12 secs, (23.077 mph)
  • 100 miles, 4hrs, 40 mins, 6 secs, (21.428 mph)
  • 12 hours – 231 5/8 miles. (19.25 mph)[2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_...st,_born_1912)

This Schwinn Premis I am building up obviously has a sturmey hub going into it, I'm going to name it Tommy, and I hope to ride my first double century on it.
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Old 02-10-20, 12:04 AM
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Looks like a cool project. Have you thought about going with wider tires? Via Crimp the stays and/or 650 b
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Looks like a cool project. Have you thought about going with wider tires? Via Crimp the stays and/or 650 b
The fork crown limits the front to 25c, and I haven't checked the rear yet. As I got the original rims/wheels for the bike for free it's hard to justify not using them in the build. I'm plenty happy on 700x25 tires too.
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I sand blasted the frame, and got it painted today! Metallic purple, medium/darkish purple.

No pics, it was getting dark, but I will have a fair bit of it put together this weekend, bars won't be here till Monday though...

Paint came out pretty good, a coupe heavy spots, bikes are a lot harder to paint that cars! SO many nooks and crannies to shoot paint into.
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Good to see a new life for this old bike! I trust it will perform as you are hoping. Smiles, MH
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Good to see a new life for this old bike! I trust it will perform as you are hoping. Smiles, MH
I'm so looking forward to this bike, thanks so much for passing it along to me!

It will undoubtedly be the most high performance 3 speed I have ever thrown a leg over! The coaster brake will make it quite unique as well :-)
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Pics,

Sandblasted frame,







Pain it a bit thick on the top or the drive side seat stay,



I left the dropouts chrome, but I do still need to remove a bot of the original paint off the dropouts,

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I temporarily ran my cheapo first Bianchi as a coaster 3-speed for awhile. It originally had 26" rims. I kept the front brake and right side downtube friction lever, which I used to shift the IGH. The thing was kind of fun as a theft-resistant short distance commuter/beater, and the neutral position between 2nd and 3rd gear came in handy for pedal repositioning at stoplights.
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This is the best this thing has ever looked! Great job and choice of paint color. Can't wait to see the finished product. Smiles, MH
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This bike absolutely smashes asphalt!!!!

I have 100 or so miles on it as of now, it climbs well enough out of the saddle on steep hills in 1st gear and 3rd lasts till 30 MPH, 3rd is nice and comfy at 26 MPH or so, 2nd is comfy on flat ground at 16-17 MPH.

I'm loving the coaster brake too, such a unique twist on a road bike! I'll post more later :-)


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the neutral position between 2nd and 3rd gear came in handy for pedal repositioning at stoplights.
This is a great tip!!! It makes me feel like a wizard to pedal forward to reposition my feet while sitting at a light without the bike moving forward!
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This is the best this thing has ever looked! Great job and choice of paint color. Can't wait to see the finished product. Smiles, MH
Thanks!

I still have some tinkering to do on it, but the bike is everything I had hoped it would be! I was downright giddy after 2 hours of hard cranking on the bike yesterday :-D

Thanks so much for passing this frame and fork and wheelset along to me!!!
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I did keep a front brake with my 3-speed coaster conversion, and I recommend the same for your project. It will improve your stopping distance and provide welcome redundancy in case your chain snaps or falls off or your coaster brake shoes overheat and fade. (Read "The Birth of Dirt" and why they called it "repack hill.")
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Killer build, i am planning a paramount sturmey. Cant go wrong with 3 speeds and the truth!
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That's HOT.
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That looks great! Sturmey Archer 3 speeds are rugged and reliable. I like your cable run. I commented on this on another thread. It looks like the bike is in hilly San Francisco so you might need more than a coaster brake. Since you have obviously been riding it, how has it been? Has the coaster brake been good enough? Is the modulation of the brake good? Are you skidding when you don't want to? Are your stopping distances good? Have you tried being a kid and just laying down a big "J" skid? Are the cords show through the rubber yet on the rear tire?

I have to also say, that I like the look of no derailleur. Nice paint job. Nice brazing too. Are you going to apply any graphics? It looks good without them.
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Originally Posted by 52telecaster View Post
Killer build, i am planning a paramount sturmey. Cant go wrong with 3 speeds and the truth!
So rad!!!

My earliest days of road biking were on a Hercules with bull moose bars and 27" wolber super champion wheels with an AW hub. I have numerous 3 speeds now, but this one is far and away the most high performance, they always feel a bit like riding a single speed, but yo can climb hills, and go fast on mild declines too!

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That looks great! Sturmey Archer 3 speeds are rugged and reliable. I like your cable run. I commented on this on another thread. It looks like the bike is in hilly San Francisco so you might need more than a coaster brake. Since you have obviously been riding it, how has it been?
I love it, its so nice, much of this is my maybe irrational love of SA hubs, but regardless of that this bike just cooks. I'll dig up stem with a bit less reach for it, and put bar tape on it too, and afte that, it just needs to get ridden!


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Has the coaster brake been good enough?
I do plan ahead more with having only a coaster brake, but with your butt well behind the seat you can get reasonable braking out of it.

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Is the modulation of the brake good?
It's quite good actually, I can often hold the tire right on the edge of skidding as long as I want, it actually take a fair bit of leg force to get it to that point, on longer descents you actually feel it a bit in your braking leg, which is easy enough to swap to the other leg, but I'm more comfy braking with my left leg.

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Are you skidding when you don't want to?
Only once, and I immediately got off the brake to let the tire start rolling again and reapplied.

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Are your stopping distances good?
They're tolerable, depending on the grade + or -, and what all going on around you, you just need to ride fairly conservatively.

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Have you tried being a kid and just laying down a big "J" skid?
Oh YEA!!!!! I put a 25c commuter tire on the rear with plenty of rubber just for this reason! On clean asphalt or concrete the rear tire wants to hop when you get it out in a sideways skid :-/ But if there is a bit of sand dirt you can crank off nice smooth J skids! Its feels so rowdy and "unroadbike"! The 25c tires *barely* fit in the frame, super close on the fork crown and the rear brake bridge, and tight between the chainstays, but so far I have not had to retrue the rear wheel and out of the ~100 miles I have put on it many of them have been hammering away quite hard.

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Are the cords show through the rubber yet on the rear tire?
Not yet! I'll admit that it is fairly foreign to skid on a road bike! I need to break that habit!

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I have to also say, that I like the look of no derailleur. Nice paint job. Nice brazing too. Are you going to apply any graphics? It looks good without them.
I plan on leaving it as is, but I'd like to add a Columbus sticker if I can get one.
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I must confess mine will have caliper brakes and multiple chainrings with a chain tensioner. Nevertheless the ability to shift down at a stop is like a secret superpower when commuting. Also it seems like a well broken in aw hub coasts extremely well.
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jackbombay,
No tenax decals here. But if you want a free slx decal I have one laying here on the desk. If you want the correct one for it contact Greg Softley at CYCLOMONDO. He is in OZ, but a great dude to work with.
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I must confess mine will have caliper brakes and multiple chainrings with a chain tensioner. Nevertheless the ability to shift down at a stop is like a secret superpower when commuting. Also it seems like a well broken in aw hub coasts extremely well.
I love anything Sturmey!

The oldest sturmey's that I've ridden seem to have some great subtle qualities to them :-)

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Originally Posted by Mad Honk View Post
jackbombay,
No tenax decals here. But if you want a free slx decal I have one laying here on the desk. If you want the correct one for it contact Greg Softley at CYCLOMONDO. He is in OZ, but a great dude to work with.
Smiles, MH
There are some Tenax decals on Ebay, mostly from england, but shipping is free on many of them.

I did get out for 30 miles and 2500' yesterday in the Sierra foothills, on a road thats closed for winter, but as california doesn't have winter this year there was minimal/no snow and I had a beautiful car free 2 hours on the bike :-)

Spent a fair bit of time in 1st gear out of the saddle on this ride, but my legs are kind of feeling slightly tough for March, this is one of my favorite rides in Nor Cal, even when the road is open there are really no cars around, Quincy to La Porte, in the Sierra foothills.







i turned around at the bottom of "the wall" as there was too much snow on it, AND it is severely brutal, 3.5 miles that averages %10.4, 1:1 gearing is mandatory for it really, I rode it with 34/28 last summer and its was a struggle!

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That's one clean uncluttered looking build. I am inspired.
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There are some Tenax decals on Ebay, mostly from england, but shipping is free on many of them.

I did get out for 30 miles and 2500' yesterday in the Sierra foothills, on a road thats closed for winter, but as california doesn't have winter this year there was minimal/no snow and I had a beautiful car free 2 hours on the bike :-)

Spent a fair bit of time in 1st gear out of the saddle on this ride, but my legs are kind of feeling slightly tough for March, this is one of my favorite rides in Nor Cal, even when the road is open there are really no cars around, Quincy to La Porte, in the Sierra foothills.







i turned around at the bottom of "the wall" as there was too much snow on it, AND it is severely brutal, 3.5 miles that averages %10.4, 1:1 gearing is mandatory for it really, I rode it with 34/28 last summer and its was a struggle!
wow, no traffic, am i jealous!
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wow, no traffic, am i jealous!
I certainly search out uncrowded asphalt! On Strava this ride has only had ~100 or so riders, ever, but one of them is Laurens Ten Dam! There is actually a fair bit of great, almost car free, road biking in California.

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I'm sooo glad I passed on that frame when MH offered it up, and you got your hands on it instead. Kudos for a sweet build on an awesome frame! Love the purple, too!

Maybe some "Schwinn PREMIS" graphics in the exact same fonts as a late-60's early-70's Paramount? The Schwinn script is available on eBay, maybe coupled with the "PREMIS" script from a local vinyl sign/graphics business. Ask for 1 mil UV-resistant vinyl, and it should closely mimic factory-looking decals.
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