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What is the best Eroica 5 speed freewheel?

Old 02-09-20, 12:15 AM
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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
It ainít heroic unless you have 1978 air in your tubbies.
The 1977 air was better.

SunTour Winner was the way to go. Greased, they were dead silent. The cheap Perfects weren't as elegant, not quite as smooth shifting, a =little noisier, but worked really well in races if you could survive without the 13. I did all my racing on Winners except Vermont's Stowe race up Smuggler's Notch. The shop didn't have cogs to make a 13-23 so I picked up a Perfect and cogs to make a 14-23. Second over the Notch but when we formed a 6-man group, I could do no work until the road flattened out a lot! That worked so well I used it again the next year. Played out the same way. (That first time we had David Lamb sitting in with us as a junior. He was even more gear restricted and did even less work on the descent. Big gears aren't always the benefit they're cracked up to be.)

Oh, real men rode 13-17. Just saying. I was a whimp. Rode most of New England on a 13-19. Loved it so much that those cogs have been in nearly every FW/cassette I've ridden since. Sadly, my chainrings are downsizing.

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Originally Posted by nlerner View Post
It ainít heroic unless you have 1978 air in your tubbies.
I typically use a %78 nitrogen blend in my bike tires.
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I am doing the heroic on a 30t or 32t Suntour freewheel and can't even imagine doing it on a 24t. I have used a 28t on it and one climb in my area is 2.5 miles with 6% average (1st mile is 10%) and it hurts . . . a lot. My concern is my tire choice of Challenge Paris-Roubaix and them holding traction on the gravel..
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This is setting yourself up for total lack of adherence to rule #69 :

// Cycling shoes and bicycles are made for riding.Any walking conducted while wearing cycling shoes must be strictly limited. When taking a slash or filling bidons during a 200km ride (at 38kmh, see Rule #68) one is to carefully stow oneís bicycle at the nearest point navigable by bike and walk the remaining distance. It is strictly prohibited that under any circumstances a cyclist should walk up a steep incline, with the obvious exception being when said incline is blocked by riders who crashed because you are on the Koppenberg. For clarification, see Rule #5.7

I break plenty of rules, but that doesn't mean I don't love them.
Rule #5 is weeping.

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Thanks for the freewheel suggestions and increasing my knowledge base. ( I thought something named Perfect or Pro Compe would be top of the line.) I saw a large box of freewheels at the Co-op that I intend to search through. The $ invested/lost should be small in the event one of them makes my new Regina chain skip. Maybe there will be an old Regina or Atom or...

I've done the Heroic Route 3 times with a 42/24 and 25mm road tires. That is part of the fun for me. I will likely walk a few spots again. My first one had a mass start and I tried hanging with the front group. What a kick it is to see all those, toe clips, brake cables, skinny frame tubes, skinny tires, and small tight cog sets. We hit the gravel on the way up to the first stop and nobody slowed down. It was awesome. And it hurt. I believe it is meant to.
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Originally Posted by Classtime View Post
Could be. This bike has a pretty steep seat tube but I've had this saddle on other bikes and it always sits like that. I'll experiment some. Thanks.
Brooks saddles have a reputation for having short rails, and many people can't get them back far enough. This may be because they were originally designed when bikes had less-steep seat tube angles, so they have rails that have the flat spots farther back, meaning the saddle will end up farther forward. Worth looking into in any case. This thread has more on the subject.
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We all used narrow tires back in the day but the pros are running them wider. They tend to run 28c for Paris Roubaix; that might not be a bad choice for eroica or even a 32c.

And people ran narrow cogsets in the back but they are getting wider for the pros as well. Granted they have more gears so the jumps are smaller but running a larger cog for tough climbs makes sense even if that was not the fashion at one time.
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Originally Posted by scarlson View Post
Brooks saddles have a reputation for having short rails, and many people can't get them back far enough. This may be because they were originally designed when bikes had less-steep seat tube angles, so they have rails that have the flat spots farther back, meaning the saddle will end up farther forward. Worth looking into in any case. This thread has more on the subject.
Yeah I've been running selle anatomicas lately because they have longer rails.
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14-17, 14-18, Heroic air...

I just wanna know what amphetamine dose is considered heroic. WWJAD? I wouldn't want to wuss out on that.
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Originally Posted by jeirvine View Post
24 should be OK, if you are riding the coastal route, or if you have 1930's cyclists legs.
or you dont mind doing lots of walking (not coastal route)
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
Rule #5 is weeping.

In sailing Rule 69 is unsportsmanlike behavior
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Old 02-09-20, 10:23 AM
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I'm looking for an Eroica cog set. I go to Eroica to hang with bike nerds and be part of the rolling museum. My Nova bike will have a compact, 11-28 cassette, with 28s, and dual pivot brakes. The pros riding Nova will have the latest Wunderbikes. It's all good.

Does anybody know know how to look at STRAVA and see how much walking was done now I'm curious if I've walked more or less over the years. My times on the climbs go up and down.
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Originally Posted by BFisher View Post
14-17, 14-18, Heroic air...

I just wanna know what amphetamine dose is considered heroic. WWJAD? I wouldn't want to wuss out on that.
Spaghetti Legs has been my Dr. Ferrari the last couple of Eroicas. PM him or the proper dose. He accepts small denomination bills sent via trusted courier.
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Originally Posted by iab View Post
Rule #5 is weeping.

Yea, and to be in accordance with rule #5 there is only one route option at Eroica, not 4, that route is of course the 108 mile with 8000'+, everybody here says I'm going to walk my bike, because my low gear is only 28/28, in light of this, there is no way anyone is showing up and riding the 108 mile route with a corncob freewheel and not doing a lot of walking, just not possible on gravel as you can't stand to climb.
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I just wanna know what amphetamine dose is considered heroic.
Do you want to end up with mild psychosis or just ride your bike faster?
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Originally Posted by gugie View Post
Spaghetti Legs has been my Dr. Ferrari the last couple of Eroicas. PM him or the proper dose. He accepts small denomination bills sent via trusted courier.
See, it's this kind of information that keeps me coming back here!

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Do you want to end up with mild psychosis or just ride your bike faster?
I just wanna be period correct, whatever that may be.


As for freewheel sounds, I don't really think too much on it. I have noticed that some from the same maker sometimes sound different. I've got a Shimano that sounds pretty nice. Suntour, too. My TDC is quiet, but is newly relubed.
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14-17, 14-18, Heroic air...

I just wanna know what amphetamine dose is considered heroic. WWJAD? I wouldn't want to wuss out on that.
Gino Bartali drank so many espressos each day, he didn't need amphetamines.
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Gino Bartali drank so many espressos each day, he didn't need amphetamines.
I'm having memories of Cosmo Kramer on cafe lattes.
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There is much luv for the Suntours. The thread DIY Suntour Ultra 6 fwheel
tells me that I can take my wide 6 New Winner and replace the two small cogs with one for a 5 speed 15-24 with no big jumps. I can put my Regina 14-22 back on when I get home. Say hi when you pass me on the descents or while I'm catching my breath in the shade on Cypress. I'll be on the black Raleigh with the stem too long, the seat too forward, the bars too low, and the smile on my face. 🙂
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My BKM custom 5 speed Eroica freewheel is 26-27-28-30-32
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Originally Posted by daviddavieboy View Post
I am doing the heroic on a 30t or 32t Suntour freewheel and can't even imagine doing it on a 24t. I have used a 28t on it and one climb in my area is 2.5 miles with 6% average (1st mile is 10%) and it hurts . . . a lot. My concern is my tire choice of Challenge Paris-Roubaix and them holding traction on the gravel..
Let some air out on Cypress, you should be ok if you don't have to stand.
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My BKM custom 5 speed Eroica freewheel is 26-27-28-30-32
I don't think most people can appreciate the beauty in this freewheel.

Originally Posted by daviddavieboy View Post
I am doing the heroic on a 30t or 32t Suntour freewheel and can't even imagine doing it on a 24t. I have used a 28t on it and one climb in my area is 2.5 miles with 6% average (1st mile is 10%) and it hurts . . . a lot.
2.5 miles that averages %6? What's your front ring?

The most brutal climb I have ridden to date is in Plumas county California, 4 miles that averages %10.3. I believe this is the best bike legal ass kicking piece of asphalt in the country, but if someone knows of a better one do tell!!!! https://www.strava.com/segments/12232546

I put down 60 miles that day and saw 4 cars several deer and one bear. I had 34ring/28cog gearing, I kinda showed up to a gun fight with a knife, but I sure didn't walk any of it. Sitting was rugged, so I was standing to "recover", heh... That wasn't long after I had ridden the Death Ride (I hit that hard) so I was "pre hurt" for that climb and ended up only mid pack of the 70 or so riders that have logged that climb on Strava, but Laurens Ten Dam has ridden it! And I did get the KOM descending it, I actually totally smoked the previous fastest guy....

I'm doing the Heroic with 28/28 gearing, I am determined to not walk, I may walk, but I can assure you that I will have disabled all the alarm bells in the engine room before I get on the bike that morning :-)
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snip . .

The most brutal climb I have ridden to date is in Plumas county California, 4 miles that averages %10.3. I believe this is the best bike legal ass kicking piece of asphalt in the country, but if someone knows of a better one do tell!!!! https://www.strava.com/segments/12232546

snip . . .

I'm doing the Heroic with 28/28 gearing, I am determined to not walk, I may walk, but I can assure you that I will have disabled all the alarm bells in the engine room before I get on the bike that morning :-)
+ 1 on this.

East Burke mtn in NH is pretty brutal, averages 12% over 3 miles.
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+ 1 on this.

East Burke mtn in NH is pretty brutal, averages 12% over 3 miles.
Its actually not a strava segment crazily enough, but it starts at 300 meters and tops out at 950 for about 2150' of climbing, Next time I head east I hope to have time to ride it!
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Its actually not a strava segment crazily enough, but it starts at 300 meters and tops out at 950 for about 2150' of climbing, Next time I head east I hope to have time to ride it!
It's a brutal climb,

I'd want something lower than a 28 running on a 28 to climb it.
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