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kastigar 02-24-20 12:12 PM

I have a step-thru bike. It's not my height that's a problem. It's my width!

dkatz1 02-24-20 12:21 PM


Originally Posted by BikeWonder (Post 21330698)
I was wondering if any of you old timers have any experience losing height over time or not fitting your favourite frame? The reason I ask is because I have a wonderful touring bike one size larger than what I would normally ride, but it's still great and comfortable. I'm early 20s, 5'10, and the bike is a 60cm with a 58 top tube from seat tube to head tube.

I haven't had any issues with sizing or fit. Normally I would ride a 57-58cm frame.

Anywho, I have this fear that at some point the frame might not fit me anymore, which would then lead me to having to trade the frame with a fellow C&V member for the desired 57cm.

Have any of you experienced not fitting on a frame as you age?

Good Grief! Why are you worrying about this now? Yes, it's not all uncommon to get a little shorter as you age...I have...at 68, same size frame works for me as did 20 years ago...but even if this will become an issue, you've got DECADES before it will.

dkatz1 02-24-20 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by Dfrost (Post 21331264)
Thanks for the proper medical explanation, John.

I lost about 1-1/2” in height during my 50’s (70 YO now). Thankfully the ‘79 Miyata 912 purchased new back then still fits, albeit with a taller and shorter reach stem. Notably, I’m very long-legged for my now 72” height, and that 912 is a 25”/62cm frame. So if there’d been leg length loss, I certainly would have noticed.

The other surprising physical change was my shoe size, or at least fit, changing rather suddenly at age 65. I’d been very happy with the same pair of Sidi Dominators for 14 years, with of Shoe Goo and other methods over the years to rebuild worn soles. Riding over those years included several multi-week tours and plenty of long (50+ mile) rides. Then when training for the 2015 200-mile Seattle-to-Portland (2 days for me) ride, my feet decided to become quite painful on anything longer than 40 miles. Apparently my feet, already more squarish than many, spread out below the metatarsal area, necessitating a wider and longer toe box.

All my life I've had a hard time with shoes...have weird shaped feet...by the time I get one that's wide and deep enough for my (hammer) toes, the heel is too loose.
In the last 8 years or so, it's gotten much worse, as my arches finished collapsing, making it even more difficult to get shoes that fit.

dkatz1 02-24-20 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by dirtman (Post 21333554)
I'm just shy of 64, when I was 18 I rode a 63cm frame, now that I'm older, I lost only about 1/2" of height but it was early on in life due to a crash. (Spine compression in a rather minor helicopter crash).
I find two issues 'fitting' on a bike these days, especially since I'm getting back into it again after about 18 years of not riding.
I have reach issues, leg extension issues, and back issues that prevent me from riding a bike with dt shifters, or drop bars for that matter. My knees are bad, have been for years, riding a bike that doesn't give me full leg extension leaves me in pain after riding, as does riding in a drop bar position. Its a combination of my gut getting in the way and the fact that I can't breath properly bent over combined with back pain.
Most of my road bikes have been downsized to a 57cm frame but with taller stems and taller seat posts. This was mostly for reach issues. I run all straight bars now.
I also can't ride as long as I used to because the road shock starts to cause back pain.
As I get older, having worked with my hands all my life, my hands also have issues holding the bars in one position for very long. My hand fall asleep on even short rides if I don't keep moving positions. Cold weather makes all my joints stiff, I move slower these days. I also don't have the same natural balance I used to have. Some of that is likely due to loss of some hearing and vision over the years. I noticed the biggest declines physically in my mid 40's, and its been a steady downhill slope since then. A broken foot, and broken leg in '07 due to a fall, and a knee injury again to the same leg in '17 has only made for more issues over the year. three hernia surgeries two years ago, and one on the way, lung and breathing issues from a bad respiratory infection in '15 have taken their toll as well.
Most of the guys I rode with over the years are gone, buried years ago, most were older, others just didn't survive to get old. Car accidents, cancer, falls, illness, physical injury all take a toll as you age. Somethings you get past, others you learn to live with. When I was younger, I never figured I'd live this long. I never once pictured my self old with gray hair. I fully expected not to make it much past 35 when I was younger and I lived that way. I'm paying for it now. Having to buy a smaller or larger bike as you get older is a non issue compared to the other things life throws at you.

Sounds like you have carpal tunnel syndrome in your hands....that can be corred via surgery....I ahd both hands done 16 years ago (several months apart)...it worked. Though: it's RETURNING in one of my hands....
Got a lot of your maladys, in varying degrees...
Aside from getting shorter...a car wreck (1972) ended up leaving (afte 65 freakin days in traction---was in a head on collision, broke and shattered femur in theree places) one leg an inch and a quarter shorter than the other.
I can't ride drop handle bard because: my arthritic hands (carpal tunnel surgery doesn't do anything for arthritis) can't really work the brakes.

dkatz1 02-24-20 12:51 PM


Originally Posted by SurferRosa (Post 21337596)
"Height lost over aging" could be the title to a very good song. I'm thinking a lot of Fmaj7 in that one.

It wouldn't be so attractive as the name of a cover band full of elderly guys ... unless they were really, really good.

Steven King and some of his writer friends (I forget who) had a rock band they called "the Rock Bottom remainders" (which is where King's books belong). Hack writers, good band name. I bet they sounded awful.

WinterCommuter 02-24-20 01:07 PM

Who are you calling old timer? ;-)

how long do plan to ride this bike?

My dad is 87, he might have trouble clearing the top tube on any bike. ;-)

I’m closing on 60. I stopped riding a 50 cm frameset 15 years ago. Now, i switch off riding 2 different 52 cm framesets because on the recommendation of my bike fitter friend. 52cm was simply a much better fit. Clearing the top tube isn’t an issue either way.

I’m not an md, but spinal compression with age is real. I haven’t heard much about leg compression. So you should be safe standing over your touring bike for decades.

Bill in VA 02-24-20 01:14 PM

I used to ride a 23" or ~57cm frames on vintage Fuji and Peugeot bikes with 27" wheels. The Fuji If began to feel too large (mainly standover height) when I got back into more regular cycling after retirement. Couple that with the 27" wheels WITHOUT hook bead rims, it was getting harder to find good tires< i figured 700c would help a bit also. I bought a new steel framed bike with a sized 55cm frame and a moderately sloping top tube. The big bike shops kept nudging me to a 52-53cm frame, but I felt cramped with my head too far forward. Finally a shop said to come in with my current (old) bike, saw the level height saddle and handlebars, and immediately said a 55 was more appropriate. They said to come back and they could do a stem swap if I needed a bit more or less, but it was dead on..

I had lost a small amount of leg length due to flat(ter) feet and knee wear, but mainly in the torso from back and disk wear. I went from 5'9.5" at 23 (when I bought the Fuji) to 5"8" at age 63. Periods of sedentary employment and weight gains did not help. I do find drops to be very comforting and my back feels great after a ride due to the forward leaning position After rides the next morning is back pain free.

As I am probably an exception - not many ride the same bike in roughly the same configuration for 43 years, so your experience may vary. I just liked the Fuji, with its classic look of glossy black custom paint with chromed fork ends and chromed rear stays with silver Sugino, Nitto, and a few Campy components it was an original. In fact last week I finally found the elusive Mafac brakes and Suntour Cyclone RD that it had for roughly half its life.

Marci 02-24-20 02:01 PM

Yeah we shrink as we age, I used to be 5'8" but due to back injury and arthritis I am now 5'5" at age 60. Bikes come and go, its not like its a dog. You can sell them and buy new and love the new one as much as the old. I have had 3 in the short time I have been back riding bikes. I was very glad to replace the Huffy with the Specialized, and the Specialized with the Day 6 when my body failing made a more upright seat important. The important thing is to keep on riding.
But the thought you would still be riding the same bike is probably nil. They wear out if you ride them enough to worry about it. Plus barring injury the regular bike riding should help to keep the shrinking down. Of all the things to worry about this is not one I would choose. LOL

julius rensch 02-24-20 02:44 PM

Height loss and Frame size
 

Originally Posted by BikeWonder (Post 21330698)
I was wondering if any of you old timers have any experience losing height over time or not fitting your favourite frame? The reason I ask is because I have a wonderful touring bike one size larger than what I would normally ride, but it's still great and comfortable. I'm early 20s, 5'10, and the bike is a 60cm with a 58 top tube from seat tube to head tube.

I haven't had any issues with sizing or fit. Normally I would ride a 57-58cm frame.

Anywho, I have this fear that at some point the frame might not fit me anymore, which would then lead me to having to trade the frame with a fellow C&V member for the desired 57cm.

Have any of you experienced not fitting on a frame as you age?

.................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... .................................................................................................... ...................................................Hello Bike Wonder, I hear ya!
My faithful steed has been a Raleigh DL Tourist (28 inch wheels)
...when the bike was new in 1972, I was 6'4", all was perfect....now in my late 70's, I'm 6'1"...even with the seat all the way down...it's not comfortable....in fact, it seems risky.
ah...the joys of aging....

Julius in Ohio

dimini 02-24-20 03:06 PM

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0a3aa6f70c.jpg
Thinking ahead to year 2060 has merit. Pictured is my 1977 Hugh Porter that I bought at age 17 and have had with me throughout the decades. What I no longer have, though, is the height to straddle the very same bike that fit perfectly for decades. I might be the only one thus far on this topic who hasn't had knee replacements, yet my inseam doesn't fit the bike the way it did back when Star Wars debuted.

venturi95 02-24-20 03:18 PM

I have worked “on my feet all day” almost my entire life. I’m 61 now and have only lost 1/4 inch, I cannot tell where it left from, spine or legs or a combination of both.

TheLizard 02-24-20 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by aland2 (Post 21330714)
None of my trousers fit me any more

Yea, my trousers have been shrinking.

The length is still fine.

yukiinu 02-24-20 03:36 PM

Loss height with age.
 
Yes. I have lost height with age. But even more important is the loss of ability to kick my leg over the level top bar of the frame. I was on a cross country tour with a road bike that I rode around town as a daily rider. I found on tour that I was weaker and my foot would hang up on the top bar when I tried to get on my bike, causing me and the loaded road bicycle to stumble around and fall over on to the asphalt in the highway TRAFFIC LANE, which obviously put me and vehicle drivers in danger. This happened 3 times, and after I made it to a town where there was a interstate bus station I had to abandon my bicycle in a motel, cancel my tour and return home on the bus. I now will not buy a bike with a level top bar frame. I only buy and ride a bicycle with a sloping top bar that I can SAFELY throw my leg over.

Bobcarlson1 02-24-20 04:55 PM


Originally Posted by aland2 (Post 21330714)
None of my trousers fit me any more

lol: that is surely true!

Johnk3 02-24-20 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by BikeWonder (Post 21330698)
I was wondering if any of you old timers have any experience losing height over time or not fitting your favourite frame? The reason I ask is because I have a wonderful touring bike one size larger than what I would normally ride, but it's still great and comfortable. I'm early 20s, 5'10, and the bike is a 60cm with a 58 top tube from seat tube to head tube.

I haven't had any issues with sizing or fit. Normally I would ride a 57-58cm frame.

Anywho, I have this fear that at some point the frame might not fit me anymore, which would then lead me to having to trade the frame with a fellow C&V member for the desired 57cm.

Have any of you experienced not fitting on a frame as you age?

I am 72 y/o. About 35 or 40 years ago I was fitted for a 59 cm Simoncini. At the time I was 6' 0" tall. Now I am 5' 10-1/2", but apparently my legs are still just as long. Back then you fit a bike by getting the largest frame that you could stand over. My stand over leeway is still the same but the handlebars ar a little farther away. My solution was to get a custom made Cinelli Supercorsa. It has a 59 cm seat tube but the top tube is a little shorter than standard geometry.

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...0ca9d07808.jpg

bfuser10291295 02-24-20 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by nlerner (Post 21330838)
Shrinkage happens. Just stay out of the pool.

I was in the pool!!! - George Constanza

Johnk3 02-24-20 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by BikeWonder (Post 21330698)
I was wondering if any of you old timers have any experience losing height over time or not fitting your favourite frame? The reason I ask is because I have a wonderful touring bike one size larger than what I would normally ride, but it's still great and comfortable. I'm early 20s, 5'10, and the bike is a 60cm with a 58 top tube from seat tube to head tube.

I haven't had any issues with sizing or fit. Normally I would ride a 57-58cm frame.

Anywho, I have this fear that at some point the frame might not fit me anymore, which would then lead me to having to trade the frame with a fellow C&V member for the desired 57cm.

Have any of you experienced not fitting on a frame as you age?


Get a shorter stem. Your leg bones don't seem to shrink.

GregU 02-24-20 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by BikeWonder (Post 21330698)
I was wondering if any of you old timers have any experience losing height over time or not fitting your favourite frame? The reason I ask is because I have a wonderful touring bike one size larger than what I would normally ride, but it's still great and comfortable. I'm early 20s, 5'10, and the bike is a 60cm with a 58 top tube from seat tube to head tube.

I haven't had any issues with sizing or fit. Normally I would ride a 57-58cm frame.

Anywho, I have this fear that at some point the frame might not fit me anymore, which would then lead me to having to trade the frame with a fellow C&V member for the desired 57cm.

Have any of you experienced not fitting on a frame as you age?

My dad bought a Witcomb from the factory in London in 1991. In 2018 he gave it to me because he could no longer straddle the top tube. I have to admit, the top tube is pretty high off the ground for the frame size. But for context, he was 77 when he passed on the bike to me.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4e6a35b801.jpg
City dock, Annapolis

PdlPeet 02-24-20 10:05 PM

“I grow old … I grow old …
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.”


If the worst thing you have to worry about when you become an "old-timer" (this to the OP) is
the loss of an inch, you'll be doing well.

BikeWonder 02-24-20 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by PdlPeet (Post 21341578)

“I grow old … I grow old …
I shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.”


If the worst thing you have to worry about when you become an "old-timer" (this to the OP) is
the loss of an inch, you'll be doing well.

It looks like I got more than I was asking for in terms of advice! It's good to know these things- finance, taking care of the body, knowing your limits, etc. I enjoy bikes as much as the next person here, which is why I tend to ask these somewhat ridiculous (to some) questions- I want to maximize the time I am able to ride while still young and flexible. For example, osteopenia isn't something I considered when cycling.

Cheers.


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