Originally Posted by Mad Honk (Post 21390325)

The way some theft here works is whatever is stolen, it is pawned. Then six months later no one notices when it appears for sale, or the pawn ticket isn't paid and the pawn shop sells the item. I have half a box of Snap On tools purchased in pawn shops. Some are from mechanics that quit wrenching, some may be stolen, and some may be from guys who didn't pay their tool truck bills. But the pawn shop owners still have to list any purchases to the LEO, but not pawned items. Just a cheap way to fence by waiting. MH

Originally Posted by RobbieTunes (Post 21389531)

While it would be fun, and I think well-deserved for looters, thieves, and many others, our society generally frowns on same. That being said, someone comes into my home and steals a bike, or a toaster, or a gallon of ice tea....yes, that someone would be shot, provided I can get them to face me, as shooting an intruder in the back just begs too many questions and gets demonstrators outside your door. Second-guessing is America's true pastime, over-reacting seems to come in a close second.

Shoot on sight orders are deterrence orders. I admire the restraint of store owners during Katrina, the Rodney King riots, etc. Shooting them as they entered the closed store would have quickly stopped that activity. Strictly a deterrent, and that's what they get for being first. In the long run, yes, vicious, dramatic, and violent. That's what seems to trigger hesitation these days. it's easy to debate why such "unfortunate" people are robbing, looting, stealing, later, but during the activity, no one knows the extent of their intent. So shooting works.

New York had a mayor named John Lindsay, who suggested during the Vietnam-era social violence that he'd set up machine guns on the corners and use them. That seemed to work as a deterrent fairly well.

In most civilized societies, there is no need for such violence. I've been to places where the only respected force is the quickest, most violent, and efficient force brought to bear. It happens. It addresses basic human logic in a basic human way. It also produces sour grapes and often delayed reactions that just escalate.

Originally Posted by rccardr (Post 21390011)

Seems to me it would be easier for a garden variety bike thief to sell one of those Pinnies than that Cinelli....

Originally Posted by 3alarmer (Post 21391242)

...yeah. I don't understand the choice in this case either. Makes no sense from a resale standpoint.

Originally Posted by dddd (Post 21388817)

With this being a national emergency, maybe shoot-on-sight orders will be implemented?

Originally Posted by Bad Lag (Post 21391317)

No, in fact, the exact opposite is happening in California.
They are releasing convicts from the prisons.
They have decriminalized theft.

In California, if you were to shoot someone over theft of property that did not involve a threat against life, you would be up on attempted murder charges (or some such charge).

Originally Posted by crank_addict (Post 21390200)

Feel for the owner. I've had a few prized bikes stolen but zero confidence in LEO in these regards. To this day, the loss of the bikes are less of my thoughts but I'm highly irritated at the police WHOM work for us.

Originally Posted by Eric F (Post 21391295)

There was a Pinarello eBike stolen, too. Someone is going to need a charger for that thing pretty soon. I suspect the thieves weren't too bike savvy, but just grabbed what looked expensive.

Originally Posted by 3alarmer (Post 21391353)

...I just bought a very similar Cinelli a couple of years ago here. Same pearl white in color and almost identical frame. I didn't need another bike, but after it sat on the local CL for almost a month at $1200 I finally had a weak moment and bought it. I guess you're probably right. Smash and grab thieves are not usually the most sophisticated criminals in the bunch.

Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 21391339)

The police don’t work for us.




This bike was clearly targeted.

Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 21391339)

The police don’t work for us.




This bike was clearly targeted.

Originally Posted by Cougrrcj (Post 21392601)

We should start a thread for "Who here has personally ever had a bike stolen?..."

A shorter thread would be "...and has ever gotten it back"

Sad...


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Originally Posted by Cougrrcj (Post 21392601)

We should start a thread for "Who here has personally ever had a bike stolen?..."

A shorter thread would be "...and has ever gotten it back"

Sad...

Originally Posted by Kabuki12 (Post 21394296)

I don’t know if the police here in Southern California will even take a report. Most of the time they send out volunteers and it is a formality with no teeth. I had mail stolen at my business with checks and some other personal information. The very next day my corporate checking account got frozen due to fraudulent activity. This forced me to fund my business with my personal account for almost two weeks while the bank sorted it out. The police sent volunteers to “take a report”. I called the postmaster and he contacted the Federal Fraud investigators in L.A. and they were furious that the police refused to show up and investigate. I think a bicycle is no more than an inconvenience to the police. I don’t carry a lock so I won’t be tempted to park my bike anywhere, the homeless know they can get away with stealing bikes without recourse and take full advantage, I passed one with a trailer and there were bolt cutters hanging out of the back!

Originally Posted by grizzly59 (Post 21394166)

As soon as the police hear “stolen bike” they have a good laugh and wait for the next call.

Originally Posted by Kabuki12 (Post 21395373)

Maybe with a burglary where the business is broken into, it would be different, I would hope. I have several classic and vintage racing bikes here at my shop and I keep my warehouse door closed so the homeless and whoever else can't see what I have. I have no doubt that a smash and grab could happen in this area. It is industrial and the city of Ventura has deemed it a homeless shelter zone(lucky me!) . Since then , broken down RV's and people living on the streets in their vehicles or simply on side walks. Most have bicycles that are rattle canned and disguised so they can't be identified. Fortunately they favor mountain bikes and beach cruisers.

Originally Posted by Bad Lag (Post 21391317)

No, in fact, the exact opposite is happening in California.
They are releasing convicts from the prisons.
They have decriminalized theft.

In California, if you were to shoot someone over theft of property that did not involve a threat against life, you would be up on attempted murder charges (or some such charge).