Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Classic & Vintage
Reload this Page >

Vintage fixie: modern or vintage cockpit?

Notices
Classic & Vintage This forum is to discuss the many aspects of classic and vintage bicycles, including musclebikes, lightweights, middleweights, hi-wheelers, bone-shakers, safety bikes and much more.

Vintage fixie: modern or vintage cockpit?

Old 03-29-20, 08:40 AM
  #1  
pstake 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Eastern Nebraska
Posts: 109

Bikes: Which one?

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 7 Posts
Vintage fixie: modern or vintage cockpit?

I'm posting after not finding info or photos through multiple searches...

I'm going to be rebuilding my fixie onto a new frame after the top tube cracked on my Miyata 914 frame. It's a known issue. This is one of the frames from before Miyata reinforced the holes for the top-tube cable routing, which is where cracks developed. I've been riding the frame for about five years. I may or may not take the Miyata to a welder but I've already got a new frame coming, a mid-80s Raleigh 531.

On the Miyata, I've been running a 1" threadless Columbus steel fork with a flat threadless stem and 31.8 handlebars. It's comfortable but I don't love the look of that setup. The Raleigh is coming with its original threaded, chrome fork, and running that original fork does have some appeal to me. That said, keeping the Columbus fork would simplify things as I could swap all parts over with minimal additional investment.

I'm wondering if A) a different, angled threadless 31.8 stem that is parallel to the ground would improve the cosmetics enough or B) using the Raleigh's original fork with a quill stem for 31.8 handlebars would be a better answer. Lastly, C), I could pick up a quill stem for 25.4/26mm and run period correct bars. I would probably go randonneur style. The brake levers are a factor in my thinking on all of the above. They are modern, vintage-style aero levers with drillium and tan hoods. I like them and would prefer to keep. If I was rebuilding as a road bike, I would use STIs, in which case the answer would be simple for me from a cosmetic standpoint -- threadless, 31.8.

For the fixed gear setup, I'm not sure and don't want to buy parts if I don't need them, and I can't find many photos of the various A, B, C options to get a better idea. Weight is a consideration but not a deal breaker. I'd like to keep it light but the wheels I'm running are Surly flip flops and not exactly lightweight. I'm also planning to keep the Brooks saddle although I have lighter saddle options in my parts bin so I could change my mind.

Any input and photos are appreciated.



​​​​​​​
pstake is offline  
Old 03-29-20, 08:51 AM
  #2  
Bianchigirll 
Bianchi Goddess
 
Bianchigirll's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Shady Pines Retirement Fort Wayne, In
Posts: 28,902

Bikes: Too many to list here check my signature.

Mentioned: 166 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2576 Post(s)
Liked 1,846 Times in 1,059 Posts
Do they make a 1" quill stem for 31. bars? Will that current stem flip over and flat? If so I'd just simplify things and get a 1" quill to threadless adapter

__________________
ďOne morning you wake up, the girl is gone, the bikes are gone, all that's left behind is a pair of old tires and a tube of tubular glue, all squeezed out"

Sugar "Kane" Kowalczyk
Bianchigirll is offline  
Old 03-29-20, 09:25 AM
  #3  
pstake 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Eastern Nebraska
Posts: 109

Bikes: Which one?

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
Do they make a 1" quill stem for 31. bars? Will that current stem flip over and flat? If so I'd just simplify things and get a 1" quill to threadless adapter

Its a 0 degree stem. Flipped over it looks the same.
pstake is offline  
Old 03-29-20, 12:23 PM
  #4  
clubman 
Youngman Grand
 
clubman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Nova Scotia
Posts: 8,399

Bikes: roadsters, club bikes, fixed and classic

Mentioned: 122 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2151 Post(s)
Liked 1,611 Times in 1,017 Posts
Wait for the Raleigh, swap the wheels and drivetrain in first. Hook up brakes with whatever calipers you have and test ride it first. That's the best way to not overspend.
Then decide what needs to be dialed in. The fork issue may go away.
clubman is offline  
Likes For clubman:
Old 03-29-20, 02:03 PM
  #5  
hsuBM
jj
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 331
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 140 Post(s)
Liked 110 Times in 78 Posts
Iím in a similar situation excluding the threadless bit (ruined one frame, moving most everything onto another and really not wanting to simultaneously buy more stuff and fill the parts bin).

Iíve been sticking with period-correct deep drops and Tektro aero levers for years as my wrists really like the flat bottoms and I really like the quasi-pista look.

The height that you have your stem at on the Miyata makes it seem like the quill-to-threadless adapter would be nauseatingly ugly compared to a Technomic and some 26.0 compact drops.

Iíve been considering either Soma or V-Oís compact drops so as to discourage being down in such a low tuck in traffic as I often am (it seems that most people treat compacts as bullhorns that happen to have vestigial drops for climbing/sprinting)... and also to look like less of a relegated-to-bike-via-DUI rider. Also in the running is the VO Postino or a Lauterwasser as with those I can still get semi-aero and climbing/sprinting leverage might not be significantly hampered(?). I know I can use drop levers on the Postino as if it were a moustache b/c I did it for a bike I gave to my sister... donít know if I can do the same with the Lauterwasser.

I definitely do prefer to have the flat bottoms so much so that I am saving and researching rando/deep drop bars for my modern roadie. Probably going Zipp or Ritchey.

I donít know if thereís a non-ugly 31.8 quill, but if you find one, grab it!


Wordy, sorry. I vote Technomic and V-O Compacts for your ďnewĒ SS because 1) thatís what your wrists might be used to 2) the only time threadless stems look good on skinny frames is when theyíre slammed 3) no DUI aesthetics 4) I doubt that fork will match the Raleigh.

Last edited by hsuBM; 03-29-20 at 02:36 PM.
hsuBM is offline  
Likes For hsuBM:
Old 03-29-20, 03:01 PM
  #6  
chainwhip
Senior Member
 
chainwhip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 564
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 209 Post(s)
Liked 135 Times in 84 Posts
Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
Do they make a 1" quill stem for 31. bars? Will that current stem flip over and flat? If so I'd just simplify things and get a 1" quill to threadless adapter
They do, but the proportions are a bit odd:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...1%22+stem+31.8


Also not a fan of 2-bolt faceplates, but the stems in the pics do have an interesting interlock casting.

Last edited by chainwhip; 03-29-20 at 03:08 PM.
chainwhip is offline  
Likes For chainwhip:
Old 03-29-20, 03:15 PM
  #7  
chainwhip
Senior Member
 
chainwhip's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 564
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 209 Post(s)
Liked 135 Times in 84 Posts
Originally Posted by pstake View Post
Its a 0 degree stem. Flipped over it looks the same.
The stem in the photo is clearly not a zero degree.
chainwhip is offline  
Likes For chainwhip:
Old 03-29-20, 05:24 PM
  #8  
pstake 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Eastern Nebraska
Posts: 109

Bikes: Which one?

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by chainwhip View Post
The stem in the photo is clearly not a zero degree.
It clearly is. It's angled up at the same 72 degrees from parallel as the steer tube.
pstake is offline  
Old 03-29-20, 05:41 PM
  #9  
pstake 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Eastern Nebraska
Posts: 109

Bikes: Which one?

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by hsuBM View Post
Iím in a similar situation excluding the threadless bit (ruined one frame, moving most everything onto another and really not wanting to simultaneously buy more stuff and fill the parts bin).

Iíve been sticking with period-correct deep drops and Tektro aero levers for years as my wrists really like the flat bottoms and I really like the quasi-pista look.

The height that you have your stem at on the Miyata makes it seem like the quill-to-threadless adapter would be nauseatingly ugly compared to a Technomic and some 26.0 compact drops.

Iíve been considering either Soma or V-Oís compact drops so as to discourage being down in such a low tuck in traffic as I often am (it seems that most people treat compacts as bullhorns that happen to have vestigial drops for climbing/sprinting)... and also to look like less of a relegated-to-bike-via-DUI rider. Also in the running is the VO Postino or a Lauterwasser as with those I can still get semi-aero and climbing/sprinting leverage might not be significantly hampered(?). I know I can use drop levers on the Postino as if it were a moustache b/c I did it for a bike I gave to my sister... donít know if I can do the same with the Lauterwasser.

I definitely do prefer to have the flat bottoms so much so that I am saving and researching rando/deep drop bars for my modern roadie. Probably going Zipp or Ritchey.

I donít know if thereís a non-ugly 31.8 quill, but if you find one, grab it!


Wordy, sorry. I vote Technomic and V-O Compacts for your ďnewĒ SS because 1) thatís what your wrists might be used to 2) the only time threadless stems look good on skinny frames is when theyíre slammed 3) no DUI aesthetics 4) I doubt that fork will match the Raleigh.
Thank you! I'm leaning in this direction more and more.

Hope to see photos when you're done and I'll post some of mine to this thread.
pstake is offline  
Old 04-04-20, 11:24 AM
  #10  
pstake 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Eastern Nebraska
Posts: 109

Bikes: Which one?

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 7 Posts
chainwhip I have to eat some crow. You were right. It's not a flat stem.

I'm going try it on the Raleigh flipped the other way.
pstake is offline  
Old 04-07-20, 12:25 PM
  #11  
AJI125 
Full Member
 
AJI125's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Denver Metro, CO
Posts: 419

Bikes: 1972 Fuji The Finest | 1990 Bianchi Giro | 1999 LeMond Buenos Aires | 2002 LeMond Zurich Women's (SO's)

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 143 Post(s)
Liked 275 Times in 129 Posts
I did a little looking recently when trying to rough match some bars to a vintage 3TTT stem (thread in here somewhere). I really liked the look of the 3TTT Morphe bars shape, very rando-esque and hadn't seen them around much. If they had the more vintage/classic engraved center section, instead of printed, I'd have bought them in a heartbeat. Grooved though, you may not need/want that with your setup. Nice Morphes at the link (but pricey), and several were listed on the auction site last I checked. 3T Morphe handlebars - South Salem Cycleworks

I ended up going with a more classic looking setup for now (3TTT Record Grand Prix Ergo/double groove I think, VeloBase.com - Component: 3ttt Record Grand Prix (later version - dual groove)). The bar is still sitting in the box while I fiddle with another bike (winter upgrades gone overtime) before I get back to my Bianchi (which the 3TTT setup is for).

Not sure if you're going for a certain brand or look for the Raleigh. I've been happy with the new to me Technomic stem on my overdue winter upgrade setup, that I just picked up, paired with the ubiquitous Nitto Noodles, also new to me. YMMV - these are both for brifter bikes.
AJI125 is offline  
Old 04-07-20, 12:43 PM
  #12  
Piff 
Senior Member
 
Piff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Southern California
Posts: 1,018
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 469 Post(s)
Liked 227 Times in 147 Posts
The only attractive threadless stems I know of are Velo Orange's and Nitto's. Nitto's is exactly what you're looking for except for price...it's a 1-1/8 threadless stem with a 26.0mm clamp diameter. I didn't look around much, but this ebay listing is for $225.
Velo Orange: https://velo-orange.com/collections/...stem-31-8-rise
ebay: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Nitto-Lugge...r=690850068094

Spoiler
 

And one simply cannot mention shapely threadless stems without linking to Velo Orange's Cigne stem, which is french for schlong swan.
Spoiler
 
Piff is offline  
Likes For Piff:
Old 04-07-20, 01:02 PM
  #13  
abshipp 
Senior Member
 
abshipp's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Location: Greenville SC
Posts: 3,697

Bikes: 1977 Schwinn Super Le Tour 12.2 Chrome, 2020 Holdsworth Competition, 2022 Giant Trance 29 3

Mentioned: 41 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2899 Post(s)
Liked 2,764 Times in 1,004 Posts
Originally Posted by pstake View Post
quill stem for 31.8 handlebars
Originally Posted by Bianchigirll View Post
Do they make a 1" quill stem for 31. bars? Will that current stem flip over and flat? If so I'd just simplify things and get a 1" quill to threadless adapter
Originally Posted by chainwhip View Post
They do, but the proportions are a bit odd:
Velo Orange also makes a 31.8 quill. Not the prettiest thing, but at least the tubing is skinny enough that they look more appropriate on a vintage steel bike.

At $80, though, you might end up being better off finding a set of your preferred handlebars and then grabbing a cheap 25.4 or 26mm quill stem from a Co-Op or eBay.

Originally Posted by Piff View Post
The only attractive threadless stems I know of are Velo Orange's and Nitto's. Nitto's is exactly what you're looking for except for price...it's a 1-1/8 threadless stem with a 26.0mm clamp diameter. I didn't look around much, but this ebay listing is for $225.


I very much like the VO Tall Stack stem ​​​​​​​
abshipp is offline  
Likes For abshipp:
Old 04-12-20, 04:36 PM
  #14  
pstake 
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Eastern Nebraska
Posts: 109

Bikes: Which one?

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 10 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 7 Posts
Here's an update on the fixie rebuild.
pstake is offline  
Likes For pstake:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2022 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.