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Intriguing Raleigh, what model is it?

Old 04-09-20, 09:10 AM
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Intriguing Raleigh, what model is it?

What is this thing?






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Old 04-09-20, 09:18 AM
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Any chance you can post the serial number on the bottom bracket? Likely starts with "W".

First guess - a 1979-ish Competition GS.
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+1

mechs, wheels, pedals, stem & saddle not original

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appears photographer has a Rizzato product as well...


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Old 04-09-20, 09:32 AM
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Other pic of seat tube decal
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Old 04-09-20, 09:34 AM
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+1, that looks like a competition G.S. with a swapped rear derailleur to me.
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Fork looks straight!

+1>>> late 70s Competiton GS
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I am working on what appears to be the same frame now. Most of my components don't appear to be original. Based on help on the forum, and some serial number research I believe mine is a 1977 GS. Yours has the same brake and shifter cable braze ons as mine which I had not seen in the on line Raleigh catalogs. Until seeing yours I though they may have been added later as mine has been repainted. Do you have water bottle bosses on the down tube? The post for mine is here if you are interested:
Need help identifying this bike
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Old 04-09-20, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mkeller234 View Post
+1, that looks like a competition G.S. with a swapped rear derailleur to me.
I thought so at first, but I don't think those had braze-ons on the top tube for the rear brake housing. At least, the '79 I had didn't.
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I also tend to agree that it is a Competition GS. The frameset, 3 arm crankset, and Weinmann brakes pointed that out to me. Front and rear derailleurs have been changed.
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The front wheel looks extremely close to the down-tube. Did the later GS's have tighter wheel-bases?

for comparison...

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Old 04-09-20, 01:41 PM
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It looks like they did tighten up the wheelbase in the 1977 model

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Originally Posted by branko_76 View Post
The front wheel looks extremely close to the down-tube. Did the later GS's have tighter wheel-bases?

for comparison...

I love that version of the Competition. When I bought my Raleigh Professional in 1973, a couple of my friends each bought a Competition just like that one. Despite the fact that my bike cost a couple of hundred dollars more, their bikes were slightly lighter and had the same beautiful slope crown fork that my Pro had. Love those Huret Jubilee derailleurs. At the time that bike was a phenomenal bargain

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Old 04-09-20, 05:28 PM
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I would check that fork carefully. It looks suspect to my eye.
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Same color as the 1982 GS I have had since new. If memory serves well, the Japanese built GS had brazed on cable guides, but the Carlton GS did not. I am old, so don't trust my memory.
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I would check that fork carefully. It looks suspect to my eye.
looks pushed back at the steerer above the crown or at the crown.
Suggest Drop the fork. the upper 4-5 inched of the blades should be aligned with the steerer, front and back, uniform.
I don' think so to quote Ricky Ricardo.
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I have an original condition 1977 (November) Competition GS , no braze on cable guides or shifter bosses. It is light and tight and a lot of fun to ride.
Non original front wheel , maybe a 27”? It looks too close to downtube.
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Same color as the 1982 GS I have had since new. If memory serves well, the Japanese built GS had brazed on cable guides, but the Carlton GS did not. I am old, so don't trust my memory.
I'm not seeing anything that's an exact match in catalogs. The lugs, and cable guides suggest Japanese frame. The chrome and Campagnolo dropouts suggest not. I was hoping that a serial could at least pin down the year.
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... The lugs, and cable guides suggest Japanese frame. The chrome and Campagnolo dropouts suggest not. I was hoping that a serial could at least pin down the year.
The headbadge says Nottingham whereas my 1981 GS was made in Japan and says /////// on the headbadge. It also has the 5 arm GS crank with what I think is a 1980 date (0 in a circle)
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The headbadge is put on with pop-rivets. Is it even original? If not, and with no S/N, I don't see what indicates the frame is even a Raleigh. The headbadge design is quite traditional, but is it too traditional? Not to say it's a bad frame, it looks good.

What are the front and rear dropouts? Chainstay lengths match?

The fork crown looks sloped in the scanned catalog pics, but seems to be more square in the bike pics. Do the fork blade cross-sections match what Raleigh used? Front wheel radial clearance is very tight - is that wheel/tire to original spec?

I'm not sure it's even a Raleigh.

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The headbadge is put on with pop-rivets. Is it even original? If not, and with no S/N, I don't see what indicates the frame is even a Raleigh. The headbadge design is quite traditional, but is it too traditional? Not to say it's a bad frame, it looks good.

What are the front and rear dropouts? Chainstay lengths match?

The fork crown looks sloped in the scanned catalog pics, but seems to be more square in the bike pics. Do the fork blade cross-sections match what Raleigh used? Front wheel radial clearance is very tight - is that wheel/tire to original spec?

I'm not sure it's even a Raleigh.
The steerer is likely bent a bit - which could account for the clearance. Also, the OP hasn't stated there's no serial number - simply hasn't posted it, or about it. I'm not discounting the possibility that it isn't a Raleigh, but there was recently another frame that someone was asking about from roughly the same era, and with attributes (including the top of top-tube guides) that didn't match catalog pictures either. However, it did have a "W" serial.
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The steerer is likely bent a bit - which could account for the clearance. Also, the OP hasn't stated there's no serial number - simply hasn't posted it, or about it. I'm not discounting the possibility that it isn't a Raleigh, but there was recently another frame that someone was asking about from roughly the same era, and with attributes (including the top of top-tube guides) that didn't match catalog pictures either. However, it did have a "W" serial.
It's a nice-looking frame and has a sense of proportion that often says Raleigh! to me. But I also may be seeing some alarm bells. I hope we shall soon see more.
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Forks are bent without a doubt. Look at the bottom 1/3, the graceful curve is gone. Does look like a late 70 "s Comp GS, same about the forks.
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