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1986 Rossi w/cromovelato - More Info Please

Old 04-18-20, 04:01 PM
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1986 Rossi w/ cromovelato - More Info Please

Hereís what I do know. My particular bike was imported to Canada from Italy by Gary Scattalon of Scattalon Cycles in Hamilton Ontario in 1986. I bought it from the original owner who claimed that Gary had originally imported this bike for himself and had it hanging in his shop for display only. After repeated attempts, he finally convinced Gary to sell it to him. Then over 30 years later, I became its newest owner.

From what I know, Rossi is from Povolaro Italy and is still around today, but they may be more of a bike shop rather than a frame maker like they once were. I found their website (ciclirossi.it) and their logo on the site still has the same typeface as my bike so Iím pretty certain Iíve found the right Rossi.

Iíve seen a few other Rossiís pop up on line over the years but they all generally seemed like mid range bikes. Mine seems really different from the others Iíve seen and appears to be much higher end than others Iíve seen (cromovelato finish, Columbus SLX, all internally routed cables, aero down tube shifters), so itís made me very curious if thereís something special about the history of my bike in particular.

Iíd love to learn more about Rossi bikes and itís history. Anyone else have a Rossi or know anything about this brand?

Thanks in advance!







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Old 04-18-20, 04:14 PM
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Yeow! Gorgeous bike!
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Wow!, the Cromovelato finish on that bike looks to be in great condition!, which is really rare, as it is usually a very fragile finish very prone to scratching and delamination.
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Dang! 100% all class. A world beater. My size, too!

Unfortunately, I looked at it too hard and I think I inadvertently removed some of the clear coat.

But seriously, what a gorgeous bike. If it were mine, I'd source a silver stem for it. But I'd also be afraid to ride it.
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Oh my is your Rossi gorgeous. I'm only here to be a useless drooler. Carry on..
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Sheesh....thats a beautiful bike. That seatstay...psh..enough said.
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Thanks guys for the compliments!

Originally Posted by Chombi1 View Post
Wow!, the Cromovelato finish on that bike looks to be in great condition!, which is really rare, as it is usually a very fragile finish very prone to scratching and delamination.
This was my first experience with cromovelato and itís definitely delicate and prone to scratching. Iím lucky that the original owner kept it in amazing condition. Thereís of course a few scratches and chips here and there but overall, itís probably a 9/10 in condition... now I just have to keep it that way! Haha


Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman View Post
Dang! 100% all class. A world beater. My size, too!

Unfortunately, I looked at it too hard and I think I inadvertently removed some of the clear coat.

But seriously, what a gorgeous bike. If it were mine, I'd source a silver stem for it. But I'd also be afraid to ride it.
To be honest, Iím a little afraid when riding it too but I havenít let that stop me yet. Haha. And I agree about the black stem. Not a huge fan of it and stands out like a sore thumb so I did consider replacing it when I first got the bike, but ultimately the Rossi pantograph and desire to keep things ďoriginalĒ won me over.
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Stupid sexy Rossi.

Gorgeous bike and absolutely amazing condition, considering the type of finish.

Any chance of some close-up shots of the fork crown, seat cluster, dropouts and the underside of the BB shell?
I'm interested in the origin of this frame so those pics would help.

I've seen a few Rossi frames and only one other was higher end (Columbus MS tubing), so this is indeed a rare bird.
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Stupid sexy Rossi.

Gorgeous bike and absolutely amazing condition, considering the type of finish.

Any chance of some close-up shots of the fork crown, seat cluster, dropouts and the underside of the BB shell?
I'm interested in the origin of this frame so those pics would help.

I've seen a few Rossi frames and only one other was higher end (Columbus MS tubing), so this is indeed a rare bird.
Here are the photos you requested. Plus a couple others of some of the frame details that may give some clue. The underside of the bb shell probably contains the most clues. Itís difficult to read, but thereís something that looks like ďPerma-ď something, ď004Ē on the underside of the BB shell and ďC__NIE__C4. Would love to see if something can be deciphered from all of this.











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Woo Hoo, Thanks for those detail pics. Sweet!
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Originally Posted by milksteaks View Post
Here are the photos you requested. Plus a couple others of some of the frame details that may give some clue. The underside of the bb shell probably contains the most clues. Itís difficult to read, but thereís something that looks like ďPerma-ď something, ď004Ē on the underside of the BB shell and ďC__NIE__C4. Would love to see if something can be deciphered from all of this.

Thanks for the extra pics; they help quite a bit.


I have seen that pantograph somewhere before and it wasn't on a Rossi branded bike (not saying that this isn't a Rossi, just that it's likely one of those contract builds done for a lot of Italian shops, including Rossi).


I'll look through reference stash and try to find the bike(s) that had the same panto.


As for the writing on the underside of the bottom bracket shell - it should read Chierici - Parma, Italy. Chierici is still an existing business in Parma. They used to make (or maybe had foundries make for them) bottom bracket shells and lugs, which you'll find on a fair number of Italian bikes of different makes. Sometimes the shells have a marking like yours:

Tommasini:


sometimes just "Chierici" and sometimes just the company logo, like this (a Losa built frame):







I'm not aware of Chierici doing full contract builds, but it's a possibility I suppose. The only brand I'm aware of being associated with them is Maurizio and all the examples of that marque I've seen look like they're pre-1980s.
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Originally Posted by MauriceMoss View Post
Thanks for the extra pics; they help quite a bit.


I have seen that pantograph somewhere before and it wasn't on a Rossi branded bike (not saying that this isn't a Rossi, just that it's likely one of those contract builds done for a lot of Italian shops, including Rossi).


I'll look through reference stash and try to find the bike(s) that had the same panto.


As for the writing on the underside of the bottom bracket shell - it should read Chierici - Parma, Italy. Chierici is still an existing business in Parma. They used to make (or maybe had foundries make for them) bottom bracket shells and lugs, which you'll find on a fair number of Italian bikes of different makes. Sometimes the shells have a marking like yours:
WOW! This is fascinating and super helpful!

I knew nothing about Chierici and Iíve been trying to decipher the markings on the bb shell for a while now. So THANK YOU!

Iím mostly intrigued by the pantographs on the bike because Iíve always been curious why that particular logo was used. It makes a lot of sense that the frames may have been contracted out by Rossi. I would be VERY interested to know what that pantograph is associated with and what other bikes share that pantograph. I think figuring that out will solve a lot of the mystery around this bikeís history.

Thanks again and please let me know if youíre able to recall where youíve seen that pantograph before.
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So far I've found 3 frames with the matching pantograph, although I feel like I still haven't found the one I was actually looking for...

Here are the examples:

Velora (Horgen, Switzerland)





L'Ezzelina (Romano d'Ezzelino (VI))




Cardi, Ezio (Bardolino (VR))






Cardi and L'Ezzelina frames have a plain fork crown while the Velora (the only pic I have) doesn't clearly show the crown.


I know very little about Velora (apart from the company being involved in either making or simply marketing bicycle tools); the pic above is one of only two examples I've seen. The two frames are very different which (at least in my view) makes it likelier that these frames were contract builds.

I've seen several examples of L'Ezzelina and Cardi frames and both show a range of build styles, again pointing to likely contract builds. Several of these looked very much like Vetta built frames.

When it comes to Rossi, I've seen maybe a dozen or so frames and they too show a pretty wide range. Also, the Rossi history page has a lengthy writeup (for bike shops anyways) but does not mention frame building. I'd imagine if they built frames on the premises, there'd be a mention of that.

There is one Rossi (all chrome) frame I've come across that shows a weird combo of a Rossi panto on the seat stay cap and a L'Ezzelina one on the bb shell (btw, Rossi had a few different styles of pantos):




The panto on the Rossi in this thread (at least to my eye) looks like a letter "V" which might work for Velora but not for l'Ezzelina or Rossi or Cardi. Even the Velora logo has a V of a different font. I don't know, I'll keep looking and maybe I'll find a connection to a single builder.
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Originally Posted by Lascauxcaveman View Post
what a gorgeous bike. If it were mine, I'd source a silver stem for it. But I'd also be afraid to ride it.
It just needs something else black, like pedals, to justify the stem. White leather pedal straps will help the hoods.

Incredible bike.
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So far I've found 3 frames with the matching pantograph, although I feel like I still haven't found the one I was actually looking for...
WOW! This is some amazing investigatory work! Thanks so much for that! Seeing these other bikes with the same pantos pretty much proves that it was a contract manufacturer who made my bike for Rossi. Most of the Rossiís Iíve seen donít have this ďVĒ pantograph, so perhaps there was more than one manufacturer supplying frames to Rossi.

Really really fascinating stuff! Thanks again and please do keep me posted if you find out anything else. Much appreciated!
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Gorgeous bike. Congratulations! The pantograph looks similar to the Antonio Mondonico stamp (see attached my ELOS Mondonico). Is it just similar or the same? I canít tell looking from my phone. Mondonico contract built many Italian frames.


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My 86 Rossi(s)

I bought my Rossi from Gary Scattolon in 1986

Not much changed since i bought it, other than tires, brakes and front derailleur



Original Ofmega derailleur
in Hamilton and still have it. I got another Scattolon Rossi from a family friend. It's nice too, and has a pantographed stem and seatpost. The one I originally bought is "periwinkle", but didnt come with campy parts. Anyway, pics now.

The pantographed bike i got off a friend



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I have just found your bike's equally beautiful step sister. Same finish but some differences in the frame. Originated at Scattalon in the mid 80's and I bought it from the original owner in Hamilton. I personally bought a lower spec Rossi from Scatty in the mid 80's so I couldn't pass this up. Near pristine smoke cromovelato frame with pantographed Rossi Head tube, fork crown, head and seat stays. Fork, seat stays and chain stays are all bright chrome. Same tope tube internal cable routing. Same seat stay bridge for the brake mount but down tube shifter mounts are brazed to the side of the tube and not top. Decals are more stylized (ala mid-80's flash dance) with Italian flag colours. No tubing identifier sticker but there is a nice "Guaranteed by Scattolon International" sticker (pretty lofty claim for a little shop). Bottom bracket has L'Ezzeleina marking same as in another post in this thread. Full ('86?) campy chorus groupo including headset and dropouts. I really like the seat/bar tape combination you've put on. My original black San Marco is in great condition so I may keep it on with white bar tape but I am tempted to go with the honey brown. We just couldn't show up at the same cocktail parties with our bikes.
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Email Rossi with a few pic's. I've found the old builders to be happy to share when they can.
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I have the same combination of Rossi Seat stay pantograph and bottom bracket L'Ezzelina marking.
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Email Rossi with a few pic's. I've found the old builders to be happy to share when they can.
The problem may be that Rossi was not a primary builder but tended to contract out frames. They are really just a bike shop in Italy. There may be a language barrier to but good suggestion. I'll give it a try.
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Try it. I've received correspondence from Columbus, Alan and Guerciotti. It doesn't hurt to try.
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