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Old 05-02-20, 02:09 PM
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Hello there,
Is it still considered an original designation by a purchaser if I was to have my 1989 Pinarello Montello painted and a clearcoat applied after decalling?
As a senior I am not sure how much longer I shall be riding and I would love to see it restored to it's original specs but those original decal were terrible.
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Original Pinarello graphics were notorious for self destructing.
They might be removeable then new graphics sourced from any number of sources, velocals, cyclomondo are just two reputable sources.
Depending on the existing finish condition, you might be able to have clearcoat applied over that.
Or, get a complete repaint, new graphics and clear.

I suggest no powdercoat refinish.
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In concurs judging, no. If that matters to you, don't paint. If you want to see your bike in its former glory, paint it.

You will never recoup the money you paid for the bike and what you pay for the paint job. If that matters to you, don't paint. If you want to see your bike in its former glory, paint it.

It really is a personal decision. Do what you want, us mopes on the internet should have little to no sway.
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Thanks very much for the reply. Much appreciated.
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In concurs judging, no. If that matters to you, don't paint. If you want to see your bike in its former glory, paint it.

You will never recoup the money you paid for the bike and what you pay for the paint job. If that matters to you, don't paint. If you want to see your bike in its former glory, paint it.

It really is a personal decision. Do what you want, us mopes on the internet should have little to no sway.
Thanks,
I am not worried about the money aspect. I had wonderful priceless memories of those days gone by. After seeing some modernized versions of the same bike I now am leaning towards stripping off the paint and rechroming the frame.
At least it will appear this old dude will be cruising...
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Originally Posted by PeakFreak View Post
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I am not worried about the money aspect. I had wonderful priceless memories of those days gone by. After seeing some modernized versions of the same bike I now am leaning towards stripping off the paint and rechroming the frame.
At least it will appear this old dude will be cruising...
The best cruising you could be doing would be on this cleaned and polished to its former glory, these are well known by many and should present as we see it here after cleanup.

It could be modernized but all the original parts most be retained. Also, its not just about the money, we value originality above most else, especially when its this nice to begin with.
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The best cruising you could be doing would be on this cleaned and polished to its former glory, these are well known by many and should present as we see it here after cleanup.

It could be modernized but all the original parts most be retained. Also, its not just about the money, we value originality above most else, especially when its this nice to begin with.
Yes definitely! Trying hard to find the original items I need!! Thank you.
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Yes definitely! Trying hard to find the original items I need!! Thank you.
Some of the stuff will be tough to find, you may have to sub in some temps or settle for close enough to get it done.

Again, save all old parts and remnants to use for reference and patterns.

We need pics of the hoods you're looking for. Often they can be cleaned and siliconed in place to live on, I have had very good luck with this.
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I am not worried about the money aspect. I had wonderful priceless memories of those days gone by. After seeing some modernized versions of the same bike I now am leaning towards stripping off the paint and rechroming the frame.
At least it will appear this old dude will be cruising...
At the same time, there is a lengthy and active thread here about updating bikes of your and other classic eras, with modern 2x10 et cetera drive trains. I have done this with my 1985-ish Mondonico and it emerged with original paint, all-silver more-modern Campy 3x10 and then 2x10. It's a great rider made better. It's using tubulars, and in current trim it's a bit under 20 # (small frame, 53 cm c-t).

I'm also old enough to think maybe I don't have a lot more pedaling decades. What we choose to pedal from now on is strictly our own choice, and there are still quite a lot of things to choose from. And if you have it in your heart to pedal your own bike as you recall it after so long, Is that somehow against mixing and matching eras and styles where it offers something?

My newest project, beyond some maintenance and keeping Mrs. Road Fan pedaling happy (TOP priority!), is to get a 1952 Rudge Clubman-style bike up and on the road. By a small amount, this bike is actually older than I am. I got it nearly complete - what's missing is a saddle and a clip to attach the saddle to the steel saddle pin. Also a previous owner replaced one of teh brake levers with a Weinmann. Given the part broke, many people will go with a current part when something fails, and I've done that as well.

At the same time, I plan to build some new period-compatible wheels for it, with 27" Al rims, and a 4-speed Sturmey FM hub with alloy shell. I think this frame will be very comfortable for long distance, for freaks of any age. There may be more "hot-rodding," but we'll just see.
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If your not worried too much about $$, expect to pay 800-1000 and let the painter find the appropriate decals. Have fun. Just find a good painter--Joe Bell, or ask Joe Bell who he would have paint his Pinarello. AND BE SURE TO SHOW US THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
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Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
At the same time, there is a lengthy and active thread here about updating bikes of your and other classic eras, with modern 2x10 et cetera drive trains. I have done this with my 1985-ish Mondonico and it emerged with original paint, all-silver more-modern Campy 3x10 and then 2x10. It's a great rider made better. It's using tubulars, and in current trim it's a bit under 20 # (small frame, 53 cm c-t).

I'm also old enough to think maybe I don't have a lot more pedaling decades. What we choose to pedal from now on is strictly our own choice, and there are still quite a lot of things to choose from. And if you have it in your heart to pedal your own bike as you recall it after so long, Is that somehow against mixing and matching eras and styles where it offers something?

My newest project, beyond some maintenance and keeping Mrs. Road Fan pedaling happy (TOP priority!), is to get a 1952 Rudge Clubman-style bike up and on the road. By a small amount, this bike is actually older than I am. I got it nearly complete - what's missing is a saddle and a clip to attach the saddle to the steel saddle pin. Also a previous owner replaced one of teh brake levers with a Weinmann. Given the part broke, many people will go with a current part when something fails, and I've done that as well.

At the same time, I plan to build some new period-compatible wheels for it, with 27" Al rims, and a 4-speed Sturmey FM hub with alloy shell. I think this frame will be very comfortable for long distance, for freaks of any age. There may be more "hot-rodding," but we'll just see.
Ahhh you are living the dream!! Good for you. I wish I had the skills to do what you do, but as my dad once said(as many pilots did) Heck no, I just fly 'em!!
I am thinking of just touching up the frame and redecaling in order to keep it as original as possible as it seems more people say it would fetch a better dollar when it's time to sell.
Good luck with all your endeavours. I wish my second half would have been into bicycles, lucky you!!
Cheers.
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Originally Posted by merziac View Post
Some of the stuff will be tough to find, you may have to sub in some temps or settle for close enough to get it done.

Again, save all old parts and remnants to use for reference and patterns.

We need pics of the hoods you're looking for. Often they can be cleaned and siliconed in place to live on, I have had very good luck with this.
Here are some pics

Modolo lever hood @1985

Modolo lever hood @1985
, unfortunately one of them is beyond salvaging as it's basically torn in half and both are brittle. I have seen brown ones on the web and will buy those if I cannot locate some white ones.
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Wow

This is an incredible bike. Just beautiful. Would love to see it refurbished & close to the original.
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If your not worried too much about $$, expect to pay 800-1000 and let the painter find the appropriate decals. Have fun. Just find a good painter--Joe Bell, or ask Joe Bell who he would have paint his Pinarello. AND BE SURE TO SHOW US THE FINISHED PRODUCT.
I had somebody lined up here in Calgary but due to the Covid Situation he is busy as is everyone in the bike trade. Doesn't even return texts or emails... I am nervous about shipping out of province but I guess that is the only option now. Cie la Vie eh!! On top of that I went to the local bike shop and asked if they could try to gently remove the headset and crankset as I have no Mavic tools. No luck with the headset removal or the crankset as he ended up stripping the dust cap cover... sigh. Time to peruse the forums again.
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This is an incredible bike. Just beautiful. Would love to see it refurbished & close to the original.
Thanks Sue, I can't wait either!! I got the decals, lever hoods and headset tools coming, I'll be spending lots of time looking for other original parts...
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I had somebody lined up here in Calgary but due to the Covid Situation he is busy as is everyone in the bike trade. Doesn't even return texts or emails... I am nervous about shipping out of province but I guess that is the only option now. Cie la Vie eh!! On top of that I went to the local bike shop and asked if they could try to gently remove the headset and crankset as I have no Mavic tools. No luck with the headset removal or the crankset as he ended up stripping the dust cap cover... sigh. Time to peruse the forums again.
Yikes, that sucks, sorry to hear. Sounds like they should not have been let anywhere near it as is too often the case now days.

You said "gentle", they heard "get this old thing apart and get it out of here".

Even with the proper tools, much of this may be a struggle for the same reasons and even with now heightened awareness can prove to be challenging.

There should be someone here near you that could help, if you post in the facilitator, ISO or just a dedicated thread, you may be able to find someone to help.
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Yikes, that sucks, sorry to hear. Sounds like they should not have been let anywhere near it as is too often the case now days.

You said "gentle", they heard "get this old thing apart and get it out of here".

Even with the proper tools, much of this may be a struggle for the same reasons and even with now heightened awareness can prove to be challenging.

There should be someone here near you that could help, if you post in the facilitator, ISO or just a dedicated thread, you may be able to find someone to help.
It's my own fault, I was having seconds thoughts about taking it there and should have listened to my gut feelings. If the restorer here in Calgary ever replies to me I will ask him to do it properly with a bit of heat perhaps!!.
I'll have a look and see if there are any spares on ebay in the meantime... thanks for the thoughts, I'll post a new thread perhaps tomorrow and ask the shops around town if there are any dedicated Vintage Restorers here.
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It's my own fault, I was having seconds thoughts about taking it there and should have listened to my gut feelings. If the restorer here in Calgary ever replies to me I will ask him to do it properly with a bit of heat perhaps!!.
I'll have a look and see if there are any spares on ebay in the meantime... thanks for the thoughts, I'll post a new thread perhaps tomorrow and ask the shops around town if there are any dedicated Vintage Restorers here.
There are very few restorers that even do what we do, the only one I know of that you might be able get to help would be Bob Freeman in Seattle but doubt he would get you in, in a timely manner.

Few really do it and fewer are good at it, I would encourage you to wait for a recommendation from here before you proceed, patience is key, easy for it to go like it did, "sure we can do It, oh wait we can't even get the dust cap off, sorry".
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Italian paints and finishes have always been wretched. The chrome never holds up. Chromovelato becomes a bad joke after 2-3 seasons. Having said that, iab is absolutely correct in stating that a repaint may diminish the value of the bike if you decide to sell it someday.

If the paint isn't that bad, you might try patching it up with Testor's paint (available at hobby stores; can be blended to match the original finish). Pinarello decals are available at VeloCals - Down tube replacement decals
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Italian paints and finishes have always been wretched. The chrome never holds up. Chromovelato becomes a bad joke after 2-3 seasons. Having said that, iab is absolutely correct in stating that a repaint may diminish the value of the bike if you decide to sell it someday.

If the paint isn't that bad, you might try patching it up with Testor's paint (available at hobby stores; can be blended to match the original finish). Pinarello decals are available at VeloCals - Down tube replacement decals
Hold on there Hoss.

I never wrote new paint would diminish resale price. As a matter of fact, I think a repaint of the OP's bike would increase the resale value over its current condition. But there is no doubt in my mind that he/she would never recoup the cost of a proper paint job. I think a significant portion of that cost, but not the entire cost.

I will repeat myself again here, a hobby is not an investment. The two often get conflated.
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Hold on there Hoss.

I never wrote new paint would diminish resale price. As a matter of fact, I think a repaint of the OP's bike would increase the resale value over its current condition. But there is no doubt in my mind that he/she would never recoup the cost of a proper paint job. I think a significant portion of that cost, but not the entire cost.

I will repeat myself again here, a hobby is not an investment. The two often get conflated.
You are right as it is a hobby. I sometimes forget!! Thanks.
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Italian paints and finishes have always been wretched. The chrome never holds up. Chromovelato becomes a bad joke after 2-3 seasons. Having said that, iab is absolutely correct in stating that a repaint may diminish the value of the bike if you decide to sell it someday.

If the paint isn't that bad, you might try patching it up with Testor's paint (available at hobby stores; can be blended to match the original finish). Pinarello decals are available at VeloCals - Down tube replacement decals
The frame is in great condition due to the fact it has not been ridden since 1995 or so and been in the basement ever since a couple of car accidents curtailed my cycling activities. I will post some new close up pics showing the
major blemishes and why I was thinking about paint stripping rather than touch ups.
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There are very few restorers that even do what we do, the only one I know of that you might be able get to help would be Bob Freeman in Seattle but doubt he would get you in, in a timely manner.

Few really do it and fewer are good at it, I would encourage you to wait for a recommendation from here before you proceed, patience is key, easy for it to go like it did, "sure we can do It, oh wait we can't even get the dust cap off, sorry".
Good advice I wish I had thought about earlier. I will start a new thread, thanks for helping out. Much appreciated!!
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Good advice I wish I had thought about earlier. I will start a new thread, thanks for helping out. Much appreciated!!
Anytime, its why we are here and why I chime in on this sort of thing.

Been a mechanic/technician all my life, bikes, autos professionally, drag race motorcycles and have seen many broken, failed, butchered parts and pieces over the long haul.

Like I said, patience is key and if you have the proper tools, you may get there but once the butchery ensues all bets are off and catastrophe often follows and with much of this stuff you may have the only good example to be easily had.
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Anytime, its why we are here and why I chime in on this sort of thing.

Been a mechanic/technician all my life, bikes, autos professionally, drag race motorcycles and have seen many broken, failed, butchered parts and pieces over the long haul.

Like I said, patience is key and if you have the proper tools, you may get there but once the butchery ensues all bets are off and catastrophe often follows and with much of this stuff you may have the only good example to be easily had.
I wish I had or knew someone with proper tools, that why I have to look for a pro. I have been waiting for so long to do this and it seems to be one step forward and 2 steps back!! I'll just clean and grease all the components in the meantime and keep trying to find someone that is competent enough to remove, clean and regrease the headset and crank. I will probably end up shipping it somewhere to have that done.
I can reassemble ok but that is the extent of my mechanical abilities I am afraid. Thanks very much for helping me. I have time now so I shall endeavour to be patient.
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