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jrupe 05-14-20 12:07 PM

Do I need more capacity? Mountech or Alpine Gear Tech?
 
Suntour BL FD-1900 in front RD-3300 GT in back.
Chainrings currently 45 / 28, but ordered a 32T so that I use my 50.
Cogset broke a tooth on 16 and added 34 (14 / 19 / 23 / 27 / 30 / 34).

Suntour lists a gear capacity of 18T for the derailleur but I'm having a tough time with the 17T difference I have now, being careful not to criss-cross. Chain gets wedged against the 45 and then kind of torques over the top and falls to the outside.

Am I set up wrong or does functionality just get funky toward max capacity?
For wider capacity, any advice or preference between Mountech and Alpine Gear Tech for a front derailleur?

Slightly unrelated, does anyone know if Suntour ever made a 13T threaded cog for Perfect freehub? according to Sheldon these aren't very interchangeable :(

The Golden Boy 05-14-20 05:11 PM

I'm pretty sure you can fudge a GT caged Blue Line derailleur to handle a 32 and probably the 34.

I would NOT go the Mountech route (the potential for bad is overwhelming with the first generation Mountech- the 2nd generation really just looks like an MII Cyclone with an extra pivot and a really long cage and a really big jockey pulley) and the AG is pretty 'all steel' beastly- consequently- heavy.

I am kinda confused- as the standard "half step and a granny" setup was a 50-45-28. I've used several different FDs and had zero problems.

Make sure your chain is long enough-

If you're intent on changing stuff within that time period- the XC derailleurs are excellent. (the "XC" alone, not "XC Sport"- although the later XC Pro and XC Comp equipment is the most excellent.

I have a triple pulley unit- Pastor Bob actually used my unit on a freewheel with a 38T cog. There was also an excellent "normal" 2 pulley long cage as well. Also- the Mountech front derailleur is one of the best touring FDs ever (as opposed to the RD)- I've had one working on a 26-46-50 triple and it works great on a double as well. And it weighs less than a Superbe Pro. Plus, I don't recall ever seeing a mangled one.

https://live.staticflickr.com/4674/3...5bfdbc8c_o.jpgSuntour XC by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr

https://live.staticflickr.com/4627/3...7f1b03e4_o.jpgSuntour XC by Dave The Golden Boy, on Flickr

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...89df85ef29.jpg

jrupe 05-14-20 05:55 PM

Thanks goldenboy,

I'm mostly curious about front derailleurs, when they list an 18T gear capacity, in the case of the BL, should I actually be able to get that. Having trouble with the 17T gap between my 28 and 45, and I would like to move to a 32 / 50 chainring setup. I ordered an Alpine Gear (AG) Tech Suntour derailleur that lists a 26T gear capacity, so I'm hoping that allows me to cover it.

Is it generally best to stay away from front derailleur gear capacity limits?

jrupe 06-29-20 06:50 PM

Alpine Gear
 
Got the AG Alpine Tech derailleur, it's wider and much cleaner shifting 30/45 than the BL Blue Line was. Stoked! Getting better at keeping the chain on. Thanks again for the help all.

natterberry 06-29-20 07:00 PM

Sometimes three pivots and three pulleys is the answer.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...437e62870.jpeg

jrupe 06-29-20 07:08 PM

Wow, what a chain wrap! Great condition too. So this was the Frank Berto influenced, Huret inspired Curse of the Duopar for Suntour?

stardognine 06-29-20 07:35 PM

I guess I’ll have to google pics of that AG? 🙄😉

I’m using lower-level Shimano derailleurs & shifters now, that came on this Miyata, but I kept my first-generation XC derailleurs and Suntour Power thumbies, from my previous High Sierra. 😎

I already put my old cranks on (this bike had 165s, mine are 175s), but still need to lube & clean everything. I have a brand new Shimano UN-55 BB, that I still need to install, and want to start experimenting with chainrings a little.

I have 28-38-48 rings on it now, but I might have a good 44 tooth ring, gotta check the bolt pattern yet. That should work a little better, with my bad knees. 😉

Then I want to find a smaller granny, and play around with those crazy Biospace ones a bit. 😁😎

BTW, I have Miyata dust caps on my cranks now. 😍
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...635ea2e6a.jpeg

stardognine 06-29-20 07:41 PM

BTW, those cranks in the previous post were the 165s. I’m using Sakae FX for now, which goes well with my Slingshot stem (Sakae- Ringyo MTS-101), which I don’t have a current pic of. 😁😉

Andy_K 06-30-20 12:03 AM


Originally Posted by natterberry (Post 21560677)
Sometimes three pivots and three pulleys is the answer.
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...437e62870.jpeg

Wow! Now I feel like such an amateur mad scientist with my meager 3 pulley Superbe.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...f4b1ec51_c.jpg


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