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Old 05-19-20, 09:36 AM
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Originally Posted by robertorolfo
Everybody understands why something in its original packaging, still factory sealed, is more valuable. We all understand the basic economics, as fueled by those people that somehow get more enjoyment out of not using something as designed and slightly torturing themselves.

But turning functional objects into untouchable and unusable "collectables" represents, in my opinion, something of a hangup. Not just for the reason mentioned above, but also because you are consciously increasing the price that other people will have to pay to use an item as intended. And yes, I am a capitalist, but I believe that speculating on certain items and in certain ways is morally questionable.
Well you're welcome to think what you want! I'm just glad I don't have to worry about moral questions regarding the value and use of tiny plastic, metal or cardboard objects. Bigger fish to fry in the world.
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Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
Well you're welcome to think what you want! I'm just glad I don't have to worry about moral questions regarding the value and use of tiny plastic, metal or cardboard objects. Bigger fish to fry in the world.
Yeah, that's the topic at hand. Nobody is implying that this topic somehow supersedes others. Having said that, this topic also brings into question how we function as a society, and discussing economic morality is hardly trivial...
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Originally Posted by robertorolfo

Well, not always the "beauty." As we all know, if an item is rare it isn't that easy to just move along when a seller is being uncooperative or unrealistic. The premise of efficient markets is predicated on intelligent actors...
They won't easily be found on ebay
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Originally Posted by robertorolfo
Yeah, that's the topic at hand. Nobody is implying that this topic somehow supersedes others. Having said that, this topic also brings into question how we function as a society, and discussing economic morality is hardly trivial...
Most of this conversation has been centered on buyer-seller interactions, the idea of keeping/selling old things in packaging, and valuation. You've brought up morality in response to my posts but that's not an issue for me, nor does it seem to be for most responders here. I personally don't think moral dilemmas worth expending thought energy on extend to such trivial matters. I'm posting here because I'm bored and enjoy light back and forth conversations.

If you want to talk about morality I'd say the entire concept of spending money to collect old things for personal entertainment is amoral in a world where (at least) hundreds of millions of people go without basic necessities on a regular basis. But whatcha gonna do? I'm just along for the ride.

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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes
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Swap meet example:
Couple comes by, very nice yoga pants, and he's smarter than everyone in the room...

Yes, she glanced back. I doubt they'll last.
...it took me three tries at marriage before I figured out you don't marry a woman just because she looks good in yoga pants. That's only a bonus feature.
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Originally Posted by thinktubes
I usually block buyers with these types of requests - red flag.
Nothing against the OP in particular but some buyers do become a royal PITA and must be sent to Siberia bidding land. I have items for sale on ebay with all BIN prices, make offer. Buyer gives like a 40% offer of the asking price- denied. So he goes up a little- denied. Not even worth a counter offer. Then he starts asking questions. Bad vibe so on to Siberia blocking for him.

This could be like in Pulp Fiction. What's in the case Jules?
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As a seller on ebay, I would want to accommodate people the best I can. I would have taken a picture of it in the box.

That's just my personal opinion.

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At first I didn't care, but now after 111 posts I wish somebody would open the box already.
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Originally Posted by Kilroy1988
Most of this conversation has been centered on buyer-seller interactions, the idea of keeping/selling old things in packaging, and valuation. You've brought up morality in response to my posts but that's not an issue for me, nor does it seem to be for most responders here. I personally don't think moral dilemmas worth expending thought energy on extend to such trivial matters. I'm posting here because I'm bored and enjoy light back and forth conversations.
If you want to talk about morality I'd say the entire concept of spending money to collect old things for personal entertainment is amoral in a world where (at least) hundreds of millions of people go without basic necessities on a regular basis. But whatcha gonna do? I'm just along for the ride.-Gregory
Nice try, but that's not gonna work. If the seller wants to keep it factory sealed prior to sale, that's fine. But all you, "keep it sealed forever and put the box on a shelf" people have issues. Talk around it all you want, but it not normal.
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Originally Posted by robertorolfo
Nice try, but that's not gonna work. If the seller wants to keep it factory sealed prior to sale, that's fine. But all you, "keep it sealed forever and put the box on a shelf" people have issues. Talk around it all you want, but it not normal.
I'm pretty sure people who spend time attempting to point out the flaws in others are generally the most prone to having unresolved issues. I also never said anything has to stay in a box forever, and already explained above how I was exaggerating/being sarcastic in my first reply to this thread. I could have a mint copy of Superman #1 and if I sell it to someone for the price I'm asking, they can use it for toilet paper for all I care.

You need to find some real problems to worry about. Again, it's little bits of old plastic, metal, and cardboard...

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And, by the way, that doesn't mean I don't believe there's room to leave some rare items sealed until there aren't enough left open to meet demand for actual use. I don't buy sealed vintage bicycle parts because there are already open ones I can get cheaper. But if I came into possession of a rare part in it's original packaging and could find another to use, I would be inclined to leave it packaged until I sold it as an investment. What the next person does with it really isn't my business.

If they wanted to use it I would probably recommend they find the open one for less money, which was the original point I tried to bring across with my tongue-in-cheek absolutist tone.
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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick
At first I didn't care, but now after 111 posts I wish somebody would open the box already.
If someone here wins the auction, there can be a big fanfare reveal.

It would be a fitting if one of the levers were black and one silver.

There would be another 200 posts.

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Originally Posted by AlmostTrick
At first I didn't care, but now after 111 posts I wish somebody would open the box already.
The box is just a metaphor for the fragile repository of consciousness.
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Originally Posted by countalmaviva
I confess I gave the thread a click-baity title. I wanted to start a thread for posterity
Originally Posted by countalmaviva
FWIW, I'm more interested in the discussion than spending $20
Well, now that you've started a thread not only of posterity, but of infamy, and certainly not short in discussion...

...maybe you could tell us which variant of the levers you're looking for? It might help you on your quest.

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I also wanted to add that, in this particular case, I'm aware that this lever came in a few different colors. Some dipped in rubber and some not. I can't tell from the outside of the box what this particular lever looks like. I may be a very particular case: I'm trying to find the levers I used as a kid, for sentimental purposes. If it's the wrong color, I'm not sure that would be returnable, especially since I'd already have opened the sealed box...
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I'll reiterate my earlier observation, which I know because I happened to ride these levers in the 80s: they came in multiple colors and coatings. Also, Google. These details are not made clear in the auction. Many who rebuild vintage bikes as a hobby are fond of color coordinating, so I thought this was not an unimportant point, though no one has responded to it.
Also, Google.



Yes, it's difficult to see...but there's no other explanation for the naming convention. It means ftwelder's SS-5's are silver.

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There are 3 days and 15 hours left in the auction, what do you say we all start bidding....ready?.....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/153935006219?
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I might have to buy them, open them up then burn them just to prove to some people that I don't have "unresolved issues," apparently.
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....now that I say that, I wonder if the OP is actually.....ftwelder....????
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Originally Posted by branko_76
....now that I say that, I wonder if the OP is actually.....ftwelder....????
He'd better have a subscription!
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Originally Posted by branko_76
....now that I say that, I wonder if the OP is actually.....ftwelder....????
I've got a pair of Traxxas bumpers that I've been trying to sell on eBay, Craigslist, and OfferUp for the last two years for all of $10...don't give me ideas.

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P.S.: There are silver SS-5 levers in the box.
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Originally Posted by branko_76
There are 3 days and 15 hours left in the auction, what do you say we all start bidding....ready?.....

https://www.ebay.com/itm/153935006219?
I like the idea of keeping them in the box and making it into a trophy. Whoever rides the most miles each year wins it and signs their forum name onto the box. I wonder how long it will take for someone to take a sacrilegious peek

Or maybe the winner should be whoever has the greatest negative balance on ebay over the course of a year
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Well what I got out of this thread is:

If I was going to do psychedelics and discuss Quantum Physics and Robert M. Pirsig's works, I would want to do it with Ai Weiwei.
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Originally Posted by bark_eater
Well what I got out of this thread is:

If I was going to do psychedelics and discuss Quantum Physics and Robert M. Pirsig's works, I would want to do it with Ai Weiwei.
What I got out of this thread is:

Why didn't Suntour come up with a less cryptic way of identifying these things in black, purple, and blue anyway?

-Kurt

P.S.: There are silver SS-5 levers in the box.
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