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Old 04-18-23, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bulgie;[url=tel:22864025
22864025[/url]]Nice looking bike! I see it has the "track" crown like on the one in post #37 by Dylansbob . Super cool sand-cast "faux two-plate" design similar to the Fischer popular with Italians like Masi, but I think yours is British-made, possible Davis. His crown has indents in the blades like those normally seen on chainstays, does yours also? That would allow quite fat tires, but it seems unnecessary for anything like a normal road tire. Only other forks I can remember with indents in the blades like that was on some old Schwinns like a '50s World, and a Paramount tandem. I might have to try that sometime for a 650b conversion... <gears turning in my brain>

Your geometry looks to be on the steep side do you know the angles?
Is the TT sloped, higher in front? Could be camera angle. If it is sloped, and if you don't happen to prefer it that way, you could add rake to the fork, lowering it. Plenty of room in the brake slots to raise the pads. Of course that would change the handling, but for the better in my book. Controversial subject, I know. Especially with the added complication of "undoing the original builder's vision" or whatever, plus the possibility that the chrome could crack, so file this one under "crazy ideas". I'm just spitballin' here.

Have you tried a longer chain? I think it might shift better, with the cage rotated clockwise the upper pulley would be closer to the freewheel. I know, with an NR, you sometimes have to play with the chain length to get it to shift to a decently-low gear for old guys, like 28t or more. Is that what you have one there? 26 maybe? Anyway, apologies if you're already at the optimum length for your gears.

Now go get some dirt on that bike, it's too clean!

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Thanksnow lets see, so much to cover... I got this bike from another forum member late summer of 21 I think. They were confident that its a model 76 but after some research and conversations with the marque enthusiast with the Vintage Cycle Club in England, the answer is a definitive shrug, best guess being a late 60s - early 70s San Remo Mk. II, based on tube diameters and build details. In any event the fork is essentially track tubing, fully round section with lots of clearance, no dimpling. I think its level and I dont know the angles but it is actually a very stable ride, almost like my 72 PX10. Except for the seat stay wraparound detail it very much resembles the bike described in this article which reports having 74+ angles:

I refinished it because there were a lot of areas of surface rust. I havent really paid much attention to the chain, its the one that was already on it. I recall that it shifted fine but I may have a look at that and the freewheel. Its at my house upstate and I wont be there until late Thursday or Id go count teeth and report back 😁

Its next up in my ride rotation, I do plan on putting on wider tires than the Michelins it came with. I have a pair of Rene Herse 32s that might fit fine.
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Originally Posted by ascherer
I think it’s level [snip]
it very much resembles the bike described in this article
That bike in the review has a sloping TT too!
I strategically cropped it to make that more obvious:


Yes, a little of that is the front tire being slightly higher in the pic, but not all of it.

Could be the vagaries of camera distortion, magazine production, scanning or...? But the fact that it looks sloped the same way and amount as yours has me wondering if it's maybe a feature?

I once made a touring bike with 75 lugs, and the frame angles were 72 from horizontal, so I sloped the TT by 3, which helped get the bars up at touring height. Win-win.

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Originally Posted by bulgie
That bike in the review has a sloping TT too!
I strategically cropped it to make that more obvious:


Yes, a little of that is the front tire being slightly higher in the pic, but not all of it.

Could be the vagaries of camera distortion, magazine production, scanning or...? But the fact that it looks sloped the same way and amount as yours has me wondering if it's maybe a feature?

I once made a touring bike with 75 lugs, and the frame angles were 72 from horizontal, so I sloped the TT by 3, which helped get the bars up at touring height. Win-win.

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I'll do some measuring. I note the article mentions "long forks". I believe my Mercian Pro has 74 degree parallel angles but the handling is very different, it's basically a crit setup and has super-responsive and light steering that needs very little input. The Falcon, like my Peugeots and my wife's Moto, requires a bit of oomph to get them off a straight track, almost as if the tire is sticky.
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My fave Falcon pic is one nesting in a tree.
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...but y'all's bikes are pretty too.
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Originally Posted by bulgie
My fave Falcon pic is one nesting in a tree.
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...but y'all's bikes are pretty too.
When I was a kid we had a red '63 2-door. It was never in a tree AFAIK.
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Originally Posted by ascherer
When I was a kid we had a red '63 2-door. It was never in a tree AFAIK.
My first car was a 66 comet, the Mercury version of a falcon but just a touch blingier. It hauled a lot of music gear.
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Originally Posted by bulgie
That bike in the review has a sloping TT too!
I strategically cropped it to make that more obvious:


Yes, a little of that is the front tire being slightly higher in the pic, but not all of it.

Could be the vagaries of camera distortion, magazine production, scanning or...? But the fact that it looks sloped the same way and amount as yours has me wondering if it's maybe a feature?

I once made a touring bike with 75 lugs, and the frame angles were 72 from horizontal, so I sloped the TT by 3, which helped get the bars up at touring height. Win-win.

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Mark, the top tube is indeed a quarter inch higher at the headset than at the seat tube. The fork is almost an inch and a quarter longer than that on my Mercian, as measured from dropout center to bottom cup. Granted the Mercian has minimal rake but that seems like a lot!

In other news, I put on a 6-speed 14-28 I found in my bin replacing the 5-speed 14-26 and added two links to the chain. Mounted some Rene Herse 32s, and hope to do a ride tomorrow that includes a dozen miles of packed gravel. Thanks to all for encouraging my behavior.
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wonderful thread

have enjoyed very much following along

here we are at about sixty posts and still no examples as yet of the Clements & Coventry Eagle marques which fit right in with the raptor lineage

likely uncommon outside of the U.K.

have never had an example of either headplate so cannot correct the lack


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32 mile Earth Day ride today and I paused to take some detail shots.











Added this bell after the ride. I didnt have one on it and had to call out often on the rail trail today. I rummaged through my stuff and found this one, I think I bought it in 2021 and forgot it. Its perfect!
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Originally Posted by ascherer
32 mile Earth Day ride today and I paused to take some detail shots.











Added this bell after the ride. I didnt have one on it and had to call out often on the rail trail today. I rummaged through my stuff and found this one, I think I bought it in 2021 and forgot it. Its perfect!
So much tire clearance. Outstanding!
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Although I had separate topic for the project, now that it is "done" I'll contribute a photo of my Falcon here:


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Although I had separate topic for the project, now that it is "done" I'll contribute a photo of my Falcon here:


Nice, what hub?
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Originally Posted by 52telecaster
Nice, what hub?
Thanks.

Well, for details I am sure you can find my "build thread" topic; but the rear hub is a Shimano Nexus 8 and the front hub is a Campagnolo Record track hub I had laying around.

And in another topic on the forum, I am embarking on restoration of another Falcon bought new by another childhood friend.


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Curious - two Super Routes, one metric, one imperial tubing.

Just figured out why the seatpost diameters didn't seem to match the weight differences between these two otherwise very similar frames, the red one has metric diameter tubing, the gold one imperial.
The gold one (2415gm) has a Reynolds decal (well bits of).
The red one (2215gm) has no tubing decal.

A brit bike made with french tubes?
A case of boom-time use what's available?



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roseate individual -

constructed with Prugnat 62/d lug pattern

BOCAMA Professional bottom bracket shell

Cyclo of England dropouts

auric partner -

fabricated with BOCAMA 18/I lug pattern

Agrati bottom bracket shell, part of "AM" ensemble, N. 000.8507

Agrati dropouts N. 000.8002

Ernie employed a fair amount of Agrati bits during the sixties and well into the seventies

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Not All Raptors Issued From The Same Maw

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...this little fellow done by American Machine & Foundry of Ohio (former Cleveland Welding Company site) during MCMLXIX


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Picked up another late '80s 531C frameset yesterday, apparently a Sterling model. Interesting paint scheme, which cleaned up great. The dark grey really sparkles.
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Newly acquired and in need of a good cleaning.

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Originally Posted by d2702
Newly acquired and in need of a good cleaning.
Classic. The downgrades from 'full Campy' are all sensible and cost you zero in terms of function/performance. That is a real racing bike. Frame workmanship looks great.
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Two blue Super Routes

The red one in this post:

Show your Falcon

now looks like this:






I really like this colour, the gold one is now the same, just curing and no decals yet.
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Sold the bike posted in the op earlier this year, but saved the brake calipers to reuse with ... another late '80s 531C Falcon!





Feels pretty good. Looking forward to putting some miles on this one.
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