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Old 05-19-20, 01:16 PM
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Unknown Mixte identity please

No logos or head badge since it has been powder coated. The serial number is not readable because of the coating. The fork steere tube is stamped Tange 4. The best I can tell is the seatpost is 26mm. Thank you for your help!











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Old 05-19-20, 01:17 PM
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Sorry. I have no idea why they are rotated





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Old 05-20-20, 05:38 AM
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It looks like the seatpost is 26.4 from my further inspections. Any thoughts?
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Old 05-20-20, 06:12 AM
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The head lugs had me leaning towards Fuji but the Tange fork (1984 date code) would be atypical. However, I'd also consider it atypical to have a fork with a recessed brake mount paired to a frame with a kickstand plate. I don't see a recessed mount for the rear brake, so the fork may not be OEM. . The down tube cable stops positioned at 11:00 and 1:00 o'clock is unusual and may be a clue, though in the one photo they don't appeared to be laterally aligned, so they may be an addition by the previous owner. The seat post appears to be at least one size too small for the seat tube, based on the amount of narrowing of the cinch slot. Regardless, I'm surprised to see a seat post that large on a frame with a kickstand plate. It's really unfortunate that the serial number is illegible.
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Old 05-20-20, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
It's really unfortunate that the serial number is illegible.
I can make out the serial number with a magnifying glass. It is either SI402372 or SL402372. The cable stops are latterly aligned and do match the others.

the rear brake bridge does not have a recessed bolt like the fork.

the rear dropout is stamped Pat Pending. Would an Asian dropout be stamped in English?

both of the cable guides by the bottom bracket are stamped Shimano

the seat post was very loose so I ordered another post to see how it fits. I think it will slide right in.

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Old 05-20-20, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
The down tube cable stops positioned at 11:00 and 1:00 o'clock is unusual and may be a clue, though in the one photo they don't appeared to be laterally aligned, so they may be an addition by the previous owner.
I may be reading this wrong so here is some more information. Both cable stops on the down tube are the same distance away from the head tube. They are also symmetrically placed on the top tube. Nothing indicates to me they are installed without a proper jig. They are slightly closer to the head tube then the cable stop that is on the bottom/underside of the top tube. The top tube one is slightly closer to the head tube than the pair on the down tube.
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Is not "Mixte", is "Sport".
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Based on the serial number, I'm thinking Schwinn, The serial number indicates the same year as the fork but is late enough in 1984 that it is probably a 1985 model. Schwinn did use lugs did have that point on the front and they did use axle retainers that that were bolted to the insides on the fork blades, explaining the larger set of holes above the vent holes. Also, the 1985 catalogue show the down tube cable stops well above the centreline of the down tube.
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Originally Posted by T-Mar View Post
Based on the serial number, I'm thinking Schwinn, The serial number indicates the same year as the fork but is late enough in 1984 that it is probably a 1985 model. Schwinn did use lugs did have that point on the front and they did use axle retainers that that were bolted to the insides on the fork blades, explaining the larger set of holes above the vent holes. Also, the 1985 catalogue show the down tube cable stops well above the centreline of the down tube.
awesome thank you. I looked and the holes above the vent hole are threaded. Your knowledge is deep and appreciated!
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Is not "Mixte", is "Sport".
Excuse my ignorance but is their a difference in models or labels? I had always though bike's designed like this are Mixte? What would make a Sport vs Mixte?
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A true mixte has the two skinny tubes run all the way from the headtube to the rear dropouts.

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I had a Schwinn frame exactly like this, and always wondered what specific model it was. But T-Mar I looked through the '80s catalog scans and couldn't find any step-thru Schwinns with those stays going back from the seatpost. But the stamped rear dropouts indicate it's not super high-end so likely not a paramount. Mine had the Schwinn badge on the front, but no other branding, except for a sticker indicating it had once been property of Vermont Bike Tours.

The René Herse "week-end" or "Dame" or "Longchamp" model had a construction like this, with the single tube forking into two stays at the seat tube. I reckon it takes some skill to get it right. In one catalog, it is referred to as a "cadre mixte". For what that's worth he seemed not to know what to call it himself! I love when I see a little French flair in old Schwinns and Paramounts.


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Originally Posted by scarlson View Post
I had a Schwinn frame exactly like this, and always wondered what specific model it was. But T-Mar I looked through the '80s catalog scans and couldn't find any step-thru Schwinns with those stays going back from the seatpost...
Often catalogs don't illustrate the female version s and even if they do, they're not always accurate. Here's a fixie/SS version of a 1985 Traveller with a "Sport" style frame. It has the distinctively positioned down tube cable stops of the OP's frame and the fork even has the recessed brake mount. The axle retainers have been ditched but is you look closely, there's a kickstand without a clamp plate on the top of the chainstays, so it obviously had a welded kickstand plate. The one descrepancy with the OP's bicycle is the presence of a derailleur hanger, though that could be because it one step up the hierarchy ladder. Regardless, it proves that Schwinn did use this frame in the 1980s.
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Often catalogs don't illustrate the female version s and even if they do, they're not always accurate. Here's a fixie/SS version of a 1985 Traveller with a "Sport" style frame. It has the distinctively positioned down tube cable stops of the OP's frame and the fork even has the recessed brake mount. The axle retainers have been ditched but is you look closely, there's a kickstand without a clamp plate on the top of the chainstays, so it obviously had a welded kickstand plate. The one descrepancy with the OP's bicycle is the presence of a derailleur hanger, though that could be because it one step up the hierarchy ladder. Regardless, it proves that Schwinn did use this frame in the 1980s.
it is pretty neat to see how close to the original that css a n be found. So maybe it’s the next model down from the travler?
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When I look at this page: https://waterfordbikes.com/SchwinnCa...985Ltwt31.html

and I compare the Travler to the World Sport the one thing I noticed was the chain rest is listed on the traveler but the world sport. Any thing of note to exclude this frame from being a a Travler?
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A true mixte has the two skinny tubes run all the way from the headtube to the rear dropouts.
thank you for the knowledge.
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I love old Schwinn step through frames. Well made durable stuff. Good riding bikes.
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Originally Posted by danmyersmn View Post
Excuse my ignorance but is their a difference in models or labels? I had always though bike's designed like this are Mixte? What would make a Sport vs Mixte?
Also, not ignorance, many aficionados don't know the difference for the minutiae, that's where the graphics come in.

The other important thing imo is that "mixte" is not a women's bike, it literally translates to universal for all as a utility bike, butcher, baker, candlestick maker......

Many companies only produced them with only one model.
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