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Old 05-22-20, 01:15 PM
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Any chance at identifying this frame?

I could use some help identifying this bike frame, I haven't had a chance to look at it yet, but he thinks it's a Bianchi. Obviously the paint job makes it harder to identify, and to my inexperienced eyes, it looks sort of a basketcase (maybe I'm biased by the awful paintjob lol). He also says the fork is new (so not original), and that it has 27" wheels.

I'm still building up my knowledge, but the dropouts are stamped (?), and the rear derailleur ("Suntour GT 5 speed") needs a hanger, so I'm guessing some low end bike from the early 80's or earlier? Also, it looks to me like the largest chainring is removable (?), indicating something at least a step removed from the lowest of low end components.

Looks like a mishmash of parts so maybe this is a pointless question lol, but it's as much to get some input as I try to learn how to differentiate between higher and lower quality components.

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Old 05-22-20, 01:26 PM
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There's a little too much going on there. Not to be harsh, but I would be reluctant to pay someone for that bike. I'm sure it's perfectly serviceable, but if you are looking to learn about bikes, this is not the one with which to start. The only component of good known quality is the front brake caliper -- otherwise, it's the kind of stuff you can find at the co-op for a few dollars. Again, nothing wrong with that, but unless you get it for free and want to fiddle around with it, there is too much deviation from original. Also, it's not a high quality frame, which would be a good reason to snag it if it were.
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it's Blue Boy's bike!

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Old 05-22-20, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by noobinsf View Post
There's a little too much going on there. Not to be harsh, but I would be reluctant to pay someone for that bike. I'm sure it's perfectly serviceable, but if you are looking to learn about bikes, this is not the one with which to start. The only component of good known quality is the front brake caliper -- otherwise, it's the kind of stuff you can find at the co-op for a few dollars. Again, nothing wrong with that, but unless you get it for free and want to fiddle around with it, there is too much deviation from original. Also, it's not a high quality frame, which would be a good reason to snag it if it were.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions! He's asking 200, which I already knew was way too high. Are you basing the comment on frame quality on the dropouts alone? Not disagreeing here, just trying to build up my knowledge.

Main thing that caught my eye is that the frame is my size. I got a free nishiki that's way too small for me, but with "ok" midlevel components, so I'm trying to see if I can find a frame that I can swap them to. I have a daily bike, but am trying to find something to get my hands dirty with.
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Old 05-22-20, 01:37 PM
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...see nothing to suggest italianess and a good deal to suggest asianess...

tin o' worms o' low value

keep walkin'

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Old 05-22-20, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wurligig View Post
Thanks for confirming my suspicions! He's asking 200, which I already knew was way too high. Are you basing the comment on frame quality on the dropouts alone? Not disagreeing here, just trying to build up my knowledge.

Main thing that caught my eye is that the frame is my size. I got a free nishiki that's way too small for me, but with "ok" midlevel components, so I'm trying to see if I can find a frame that I can swap them to. I have a daily bike, but am trying to find something to get my hands dirty with.
$200!! No way! Yes, stamped dropouts, but also chunky lugs, rusty top tube, and replacement fork (which is often, but not always, a red flag for a front collision). If you can, search for bikes in your size that are mid-80's Japanese brands, like Univega, Miyata, Nishiki, Lotus, etc. These are good quality frames (even the low end ones -- well built, if a little heavy), and their threading will match modern standards, so you don't run into weird French or Austrian dimensions, making them easy to tinker with. You should be able to find something in your size and budget before too long.
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Old 05-22-20, 01:43 PM
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If I were given this bike, I'd keep the brake levers, rear caliper and the SunTour transmission. The rest I'd probably give to a misguided hipster to make into a fixie.

So, wurligig, if you're a misguided hipster in desperate need of a fixie, this may just be the bike for you. If not, I'd pass.
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Originally Posted by juvela View Post
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...see nothing to suggest italianess and a good deal to suggest asianess...

tin o' worms o' low value

keep walkin'

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I think some low end Bianchis were made in Taiwan? Either way, I'm walking as we speak lol
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Originally Posted by noobinsf View Post
$200!! No way! Yes, stamped dropouts, but also chunky lugs, rusty top tube, and replacement fork (which is often, but not always, a red flag for a front collision). If you can, search for bikes in your size that are mid-80's Japanese brands, like Univega, Miyata, Nishiki, Lotus, etc. These are good quality frames (even the low end ones -- well built, if a little heavy), and their threading will match modern standards, so you don't run into weird French or Austrian dimensions, making them easy to tinker with. You should be able to find something in your size and budget before too long.
Thanks! This is all really helpful. I'm keeping my eyes peeled for something else
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Originally Posted by wurligig View Post
Thanks! This is all really helpful. I'm keeping my eyes peeled for something else
Keep us posted, please. We are actually interested in seeing what you come up with.

(Just to make sure: that was not meant to sound sarcastic)
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Old 05-22-20, 02:05 PM
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Keep us posted, please. We are actually interested in seeing what you come up with.

(Just to make sure: that was not meant to sound sarcastic)
Thanks, I will for sure!
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...member T-Mar will likely be able to identify the frame manufacturer by the combination of dropouts, lugs, braze-ons and seat stay treatment

the manufacturer is not necessarily the brand in a case such as this due to the plethora on contract builds...


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I wouldn't touch that with a social distance stick!
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Those stamped dropouts weren't proprietary and were used by several Asian manufacturers, including Kawamura and Kuwahara, to name but two. The frame itself appears to be 1970s but the Unicrown fork is much newer, suggesting a possible crash and maybe a bent frame. Hard pass at the asking price.
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It's a fine $25 around town beater bike.
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