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Old 05-23-20, 12:15 AM
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Remember What This Weekend/Day is About

Today we find ourselves in difficult and uncertain times, let us not forget those who have made the ultimate sacrifice for the freedoms that we sometimes take for granted...
in their HONOR have a solemn Memorial Day.

Regards, Ben
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Old 05-23-20, 01:59 AM
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Home of the free, because of the brave.
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Old 05-23-20, 02:18 AM
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And Thanks to all that have, do and will serve.
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Been there, done that, good soldier, honorable discharge, know and understand the reality. General Butler is spot on and nothing has changed:
We've all been used and abused, even after death, for the pleasure of the rich... look forward to the day it isn't so....
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Old 05-23-20, 08:06 AM
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As a Navy veteran (with 3 siblings as Navy vets, too) - my only comment is War is the result of failed negotiations.
America's war budget exceeds that of most of the other Nations combined.
Honor the dead, but vilify those who sow the seeds and manipulate the facts to justify the USA war agenda.
Pacifism is a better path, money on War is money wasted.

Which Country will be first to begin the 'stand-down' process?

Send every federal legislator's grown children to a war zone = rapidly diminish America's taste for War.
Reinstate universal service. No more bonespurs or exemptions for wealth.

The take away from Memorial Day should be a vision to end the cycles of War.

[off my soap box]

USS Hull, USS Providence, USS San Diego. Numerous deployments - 6th & 7th fleet.

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Old 05-24-20, 04:38 PM
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Yes: it seems like the discussion is how ****ty it is we can't have hotdogs and go to the beach because of the pandemic- which is not the point of the day at all. Think about all of those who can't ever go to a beach again and be thankful.
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Originally Posted by jetboy View Post
Yes: it seems like the discussion is how ****ty it is we can't have hotdogs and go to the beach because of the pandemic- which is not the point of the day at all. Think about all of those who can't ever go to a beach again and be thankful.
Yup.


I've always been a fairly reflective person on such days. (Not just those days, but particularly those.) And so, for me at least, heading to an ancient nearby cemetery with lots of history, or heading to a secluded spot where I can (if I want) have my dogs and barbecue and whatever fru-fru makes the moment ... so long as it doesn't detract from the opportunity to reflect on what it means to be free.

Fortunately, I've never been one to head to "the" beach with 1000 others. I've always preferred to find the road less traveled and to see where it takes me. Perfect, for such days demanding respect and appreciation for who we are and where we come from.


Thanks, OP, for the reminder.
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Edited to add: Deaths don't just happen in wartime. In 1988 I left 1/5 for another assignment. In 1989 a helo carrying members of C 1/5 crashed in South Korea during Team Spirit and 18 Marines and 1 Navy Corpsman lost their lives and 15 Marines were injured. I always wonder if I could have been on that helo if hadn't left 1/5. I knew two of those killed, Lt. Wooten and PFC Decker and two of the injured, LCpls Gomez and Pesuti.

Pohang Korea helo crash 1989

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Most honor our fallen with tokens of picnics, parades and empty speeches. Those who served and survived get little of anything. If any of you have been to a VA Hospital, you'll know what I mean. There is plenty of profit being made on the backs of our military personel, some of that needs to trickle down to the health and welfare of our veterans.
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Old 05-24-20, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by branko_76 View Post
Most honor our fallen with tokens of picnics, parades and empty speeches. Those who served and survived get little of anything. If any of you have been to a VA Hospital, you'll know what I mean. There is plenty of profit being made on the backs of our military personel, some of that needs to trickle down to the health and welfare of our veterans.
This is plenty true. I bought a vet a coffee this morning, and he burned one with me. 😎 We didnít have a lot in common, except a little lonely, on this day. Thanks for your friendship, however brief.
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Old 05-25-20, 02:36 PM
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^ Thanks for that. You might have made their day. Spent 25 years in the USN. Definitely lots of solitude and not a lot of chit-chat with that gig.
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Love all the fantastic war films TCM always shows during these holidays. Saw one from post WWI Weimar last night I had never seen before, Westfront 1918. Wow. That is filmmaking. Really powerful stuff. Kubrick had quite the blueprint for his action in Paths of Glory.
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Every trip to Arlington makes me weep.
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The two gifts of my early years - my granddad telling me of his experience in WWI as a corporal (he didn't say but my dad told me he was one of two out of a company of 26 replacement corporals to come home, both wounded). And my high school english teacher who spent 5 days pinned in a one man foxhole on the beach at Okinawa. He had us read Norman Mailer's first book, the fiction of a pointless patrol on a Japanese held island in WWII. I knew that both of these men saw the horrors of war firsthand. They solidified my decision to not go and be willing to serve time if it came to that. (That decision was not based on the war horrors. It came from my study of our Revolution in grade school. I am not at all sure I could participate in an attack on another country and pull the trigger on a man fighting as my ancestors may have to defend their homeland. And if I cannot pull that trigger, I have no business being at the front with comrades. That is not a qualifying reason for Conscientious Objector status, so had I pulled a low number, room and board at the Fed might well have been.

I see the fields of crosses in France and think of my grandpa's two dozen company mates.

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Edited to add: Deaths don't just happen in wartime. In 1988 I left 1/5 for another assignment. In 1989 a helo carrying members of C 1/5 crashed in South Korea during Team Spirit and 18 Marines and 1 Navy Corpsman lost their lives and 15 Marines were injured. I always wonder if I could have been on that helo if hadn't left 1/5. I knew two of those killed, Lt. Wooten and PFC Decker and two of the injured, LCpls Gomez and Pesuti.

Pohang Korea helo crash 1989
Similar crash during Team Spirit 1984. Body bags under 12- man tents wirh the sides rolled up. Training was not safe and not intended to be.

This thread should go to politics. I was in Beirut, been plenty of places, and basically, some of you guys can kiss my a$$. Pretty glad you all posted, though, so I know who to ignore. Feel free to block me as well. I don't respect your opinions and don't really care if you respect mine.

On this, anyway. Bikes are still cool.

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Most honor our fallen with tokens of picnics, parades and empty speeches. Those who served and survived get little of anything. If any of you have been to a VA Hospital, you'll know what I mean. There is plenty of profit being made on the backs of our military personel, some of that needs to trickle down to the health and welfare of our veterans.
Depends what you claim you have....what game you are running.
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Depends what you claim you have....what game you are running.
not sure what you mean
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Originally Posted by RobbieTunes View Post
some of you guys can kiss my a$$.
On this, anyway. Bikes are still cool.

Which ones?
A. Military veteran pacifists?
B. C.O.s?
C. Anyone who prefers Peace over War?
D. all above

+1 Bikes are cool. Bikes of all kinds, not just mine.
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Mike was a squared away trooper. I heard a lot of stories of what happened that night. The outcome of very single story is Mike was an absolute badass who gave his life to protect his troops.


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yup my 93 soon to be 94 yr old Dad was knocked over by a house grenade cap that flew over his buddy. he said it hit him hard enough to knock him down. my uncle was a corpsman that told stories of driving the truck that collected the dead from battlefields. they were lucky but pitched in where they could
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watching full metal jacket grown men cried in the movie theater behind me in the dark. thereís stuff I donít want to know about. w/ gratitude, thereís no choice, itís absolute. my generation got lucky so Iíve been doing my best to raise a family & contribute to the American way of life. I can only hope I havenít disappointed my ancestors who let me live it
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