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SuperLJ 06-07-20 09:53 AM

First ďnewĒ bike in a long time
 
Just picked up this Nishiki Seral off Craigslist yesterday. My 20-something son has been bugging me for another bike since heís long outgrown the tiny Trek 614 I fixed up for him years ago. I paid $250 - not a steal or anything, but a very fair price I think. The seller was a bike guy and knew what he had. He actually had two of these, which were identical. Amazingly, the other one was in even nicer shape but was already sold before I could get over there.

Based on TMarís database, itís an Ď83. Hardly any wear on the brake tracks and chainrings, so I think it didnít get ridden much at all in the past. Really neat old loaded tourer. Lots of braze-ons compared to most other bikes of that era. I spent the morning ordering up all the stuff from eBay I need to make it right.

So hereís my questions for the panel:

1. I canít find any old catalog scans for Nishikis on the web, and Iím wondering where did the Seral fell in the Nishiki hierarchy? Surely this was their top-of-the-line tourer, but I remember Nishiki also had a model called the Cresta. Was that higher up the line, or from a different era?

2. Iíd like to eventually convert it over to 700C using the nice sealed-bearing SunTour hubs it came with, but the rear is 40H and apparently my favorite Sun CR18 rims are no longer available in that drilling. The only thing I see is Velocityís Dyad which ainít gonna look right on a vintage bike. Anybody know any other alternatives?

3. What color bar tape? Tan? Black? Throw some color on there?

Thanks gang!

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f68469c91.jpeg

kermie 06-07-20 11:31 AM

Man, what a beauty!! Hard to believe the other was in even better shape. I say tan on the bar tape :)

52telecaster 06-07-20 11:42 AM

Tan or brown tape for me and btw its my size too dad.

cycleheimer 06-07-20 11:52 AM

Looks nice with black tape, plus it doesn't show the dirt and discoloration like other colors. Personally, I would wrap it over the existing tape for more cushioning. BTW, $250 gets you an old department store bike in my neck of the woods right now. Not that all are selling at those crazy prices, but enough are!

branko_76 06-07-20 12:01 PM

Nice find! That's a serious touring bike.

SuperLJ 06-07-20 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by kermie (Post 21520238)
Man, what a beauty!! Hard to believe the other was in even better shape. I say tan on the bar tape :)

I was heartsick when I called and the first one was gone, but then again I got this one for $100 less, so I’m good with the way things turned out. I’ve been looking a long time, and this is my first Craigslist purchase. Normally around here decent bikes on there are either huge, tiny, or wildly overpriced.

dweenk 06-07-20 01:57 PM

I have a Riviera GT which is one step down from the Cresta - I don't know about the Seral.

John E 06-07-20 02:16 PM

Nice bike. I like Nishikis of the late 1970s into the 1980s, and I love road touring bikes in general. The half-step-plus-granny gearing (I use 1.5-step-plus-granny on my mountain bike) and the SunTour VGT rear derailleur round out the appeal for me.

How about a brown Brooks Team Pro saddle and matching bar tape?

Saguaro 06-07-20 03:48 PM

Looks like a step up from the 1982/83 Nishiki Cresta I have. The mid-fork braze-ons and extra braze-ons on the fork ends would be welcome additions on my bike.

FWIW, I used Velocity Dyad rims on my build, 40 hole rear, 36 hole front. While not C&V, they have been very reliable and are well suited for touring applications.

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ki-cresta.html

SuperLJ 06-07-20 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by John E (Post 21520476)
Nice bike. I like Nishikis of the late 1970s into the 1980s, and I love road touring bikes in general. The half-step-plus-granny gearing (I use 1.5-step-plus-granny on my mountain bike) and the SunTour VGT rear derailleur round out the appeal for me.

How about a brown Brooks Team Pro saddle and matching bar tape?

Iíve got half-step + granny on a couple of my own bikes and love it, but since this is for my son, Iíll probably swap out the 45T middle for a 40. Iím also a Brooks guy (B17s all around) but the Selle Royal saddle on there looks pretty comfy, so weíll see how it works for him.

SuperLJ 06-07-20 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by Saguaro (Post 21520630)
Looks like a step up from the 1982/83 Nishiki Cresta I have. The mid-fork braze-ons and extra braze-ons on the fork ends would be welcome additions on my bike.

FWIW, I used Velocity Dyad rims on my build, 40 hole rear, 36 hole front. While not C&V, they have been very reliable and are well suited for touring applications.

https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...ki-cresta.html

Wow, pretty bike!

For the short term I’ll just deal with the 27” wheels it came with and put some Paselas on there. I just wish somebody would make a quality 27” tire wider than 1.25. There’s all kinda clearance on this bike for wider tires and fenders.

I guess the Dyads are the only 40h silver rim option these days. They look nice on your Cresta. I just always loved the CR18s cause they’re cheap and the triple-box cross-section is strong as all get out. I know they made them in 40h because I used to have one, but I gave it to a friend. Doh!

bertinjim 06-07-20 05:34 PM

SuperLJ-

Beautiful bike, excellent price. Definitely black tape simply from the viewpoint of maintenance. Maybe check with WGB about rear 40H rims as he is currently building a set of 40/36H wheels for a long trip.

thumpism 06-07-20 05:45 PM

Neat! I've been watching that local listing for a couple weeks and I'm glad it found a good home. I bought a Cresta GT several months ago. Be sure to add your info to the Nishiki Database thread.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...-database.html

SuperLJ 06-07-20 05:50 PM


Originally Posted by bertinjim (Post 21520808)
SuperLJ-

Beautiful bike, excellent price. Definitely black tape simply from the viewpoint of maintenance. Maybe check with WGB about rear 40H rims as he is currently building a set of 40/36H wheels for a long trip.

Thanks Jim!

I was thinking black too, but my wife (the familyís style maven) is in the tan or taupe camp. Probably just ask my son since itís his bike.

It finally quit raining long enough that I was able to finish sealing my deck today, so tomorrow I get to spend the whole day working on the new bike.

Who is WGB?

SuperLJ 06-07-20 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by thumpism (Post 21520823)
Neat! I've been watching that local listing for a couple weeks and I'm glad it found a good home. I bought a Cresta GT several months ago. Be sure to add your info to the Nishiki Database thread.
https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...-database.html

Thanks for pointing this out - will do!

Wharf Rat 06-07-20 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by SuperLJ (Post 21520741)
Wow, pretty bike!

For the short term Iíll just deal with the 27Ē wheels it came with and put some Paselas on there. I just wish somebody would make a quality 27Ē tire wider than 1.25. Thereís all kinda clearance on this bike for wider tires and fenders.

I guess the Dyads are the only 40h silver rim option these days. They look nice on your Cresta. I just always loved the CR18s cause theyíre cheap and the triple-box cross-section is strong as all get out. I know they made them in 40h because I used to have one, but I gave it to a friend. Doh!


If I recall, Swift Tire made sand canyonís, I think they were 27 x 1 3/8. They looked like a nice tire. If they made them in a 700 Iíd have bought a couple.

SuperLJ 06-07-20 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by Wharf Rat (Post 21520897)
If I recall, Swift Tire made sand canyonís, I think they were 27 x 1 3/8. They looked like a nice tire. If they made them in a 700 Iíd have bought a couple.

Thanks. Iíve seen those, but unfortunately the the rims on this bike are straight-sided (no hook) so Iíd need something with a wire bead. Looks like those only come in folding. Bummer!

Saguaro 06-07-20 10:26 PM


Originally Posted by SuperLJ (Post 21520741)
Wow, pretty bike!

For the short term Iíll just deal with the 27Ē wheels it came with and put some Paselas on there. I just wish somebody would make a quality 27Ē tire wider than 1.25. Thereís all kinda clearance on this bike for wider tires and fenders.

I guess the Dyads are the only 40h silver rim option these days. They look nice on your Cresta. I just always loved the CR18s cause theyíre cheap and the triple-box cross-section is strong as all get out. I know they made them in 40h because I used to have one, but I gave it to a friend. Doh!

Thanks for the compliment!

The Dyads were not my first choice. My first choice were Mavic A719ís in silver. I wanted a box shaped, silver, 40 h rim with eyelets, but they were only available in black at the time. Still, no regrets with the Dyads. They are one of the lighter touring rim options along with the CR-18ís.

Changing from the original 27Ē wheels to 700c opens up lots of tire options as Iím sure youíre well aware. Currently running 32c Compass Stampede Pass Extralights on the Cresta and couldnít be happier.

Really nice looking bike you got there! Iíd go brown saddle and bar tape, maybe Brooks B17 with matching tape.

SuperLJ 06-08-20 06:57 AM


Originally Posted by Saguaro (Post 21521260)
Thanks for the compliment!

The Dyads were not my first choice. My first choice were Mavic A719ís in silver. I wanted a box shaped, silver, 40 h rim with eyelets, but they were only available in black at the time. Still, no regrets with the Dyads. They are one of the lighter touring rim options along with the CR-18ís.

Changing from the original 27Ē wheels to 700c opens up lots of tire options as Iím sure youíre well aware. Currently running 32c Compass Stampede Pass Extralights on the Cresta and couldnít be happier.

Really nice looking bike you got there! Iíd go brown saddle and bar tape, maybe Brooks B17 with matching tape.

Probably just be easier to try to find a nice NOS 36h SunTour rear hub and go from there.

A B17 with matching tape would definitely look nice on there, but the price for those two items would come close to what I paid for the bike. I think Iíll just see how my son gets along with the saddle thatís on there for now.

The Golden Boy 06-08-20 06:58 AM

The Velocity Atlas looks like it’s made in 40.

They’re beefy- I’ve got a 36 hole set...

Do a bit of looking/reading- it seems to me I’ve read that with modern butted spokes and modern rims and whatever else has come up in the past 30+ years- you may not need a 40 spoke wheel if a modern 36 spoke wheel is as strong or stronger.

FWIW- I said I didn’t care about wheel weight when I had the Atlas wheels built; at the time I was running a set of Super Champion Modele 58 40 spoke front and rear... then I got the Atlas wheels... I appreciate lighter wheels now.

SuperLJ 06-08-20 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by The Golden Boy (Post 21521570)
The Velocity Atlas looks like itís made in 40.

Theyíre beefy- Iíve got a 36 hole set...

Do a bit of looking/reading- it seems to me Iíve read that with modern butted spokes and modern rims and whatever else has come up in the past 30+ years- you may not need a 40 spoke wheel if a modern 36 spoke wheel is as strong or stronger.

FWIW- I said I didnít care about wheel weight when I had the Atlas wheels built; at the time I was running a set of Super Champion Modele 58 40 spoke front and rear... then I got the Atlas wheels... I appreciate lighter wheels now.

GB -

I couldnít agree more. I was just hoping to use the existing 40h SunTour hub because itís really nice quality, and Iím notoriously cheap.

Years ago when I was building my Heron loaded tourer, the guy who built my wheels said exactly what you did regarding modern rims, spokes, and spoke count. I trust him implicitly, and he talked me into 36 front and rear. (I gave him the 40h CR18 rim I had planned to use as partial payment for the labor, dang it!)

After thousands and thousands of miles, sometimes loaded with 40+ pounds of gear, theyíve never given me a minute of trouble. Some of that might be due to using a 135mm Phil hub and a six-speed freewheel, resulting in a rear wheel with almost no dish.

T-Mar 06-08-20 11:32 AM

Asking where this bicycle sits in the hierarchy is like asking where a Miyata 1000 sits in their hierarchy. Neither firm provided a strict hierarchy, instead grouping the bicycles by intended purpose. The only way to place them in the overall hierarchy is by price but even that is somewhat misleading, as the touring model prices are driven up by factory included accessories such as bottles, cages and the rear rack, which were were not part of a road bicycle package.

While the serial number is from 1983, this could be a 1984 model, as it is also a very good match for that year's catalogue. The MSRP in 1984 was $474.95. Nishiki's other grand touring model that year was the Cresta, at $359,95 US. The Seral was a intelligently spec'd grand touring model that kept the price just under the magic $500 barrier. At the time, many cyclists considered this to be the dividing line between a mid-range and high end grand touring bicycle.

While the Seral may not have some of the features of higher end models, they did luck out by specifyng the SunTour Cyclone GT derailleur. At the time, the Cyclone GT was considered on the light side for grand touring and many manufacturers chose to spec ATB derailleurs, with SunTour's sophisticated. dual parallelogram Mountech being a favourite and considered far more suitable for grand touring. Ironically, few MounTechs survived much beyond a year due to poor seals for the 2nd parallelogram.

SuperLJ 06-08-20 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by T-Mar (Post 21522100)
Asking where this bicycle sits in the hierarchy is like asking where a Miyata 1000 sits in their hierarchy. Neither firm provided a strict hierarchy, instead grouping the bicycles by intended purpose. The only way to place them in the overall hierarchy is by price but even that is somewhat misleading, as the touring model prices are driven up by factory included accessories such as bottles, cages and the rear rack, which were were not part of a road bicycle package.

While the serial number is from 1983, this could be a 1984 model, as it is also a very good match for that year's catalogue. The MSRP in 1984 was $474.95. Nishiki's other grand touring model that year was the Cresta, at $359,95 US. The Seral was a intelligently spec'd grand touring model that kept the price just under the magic $500 barrier. At the time, many cyclists considered this to be the dividing line between a mid-range and high end grand touring bicycle.

While the Seral may not have some of the features of higher end models, they did luck out by specifyng the SunTour Cyclone GT derailleur. At the time, the Cyclone GT was considered on the light side for grand touring and many manufacturers chose to spec ATB derailleurs, with SunTour's sophisticated. dual parallelogram Mountech being a favourite and considered far more suitable for grand touring. Ironically, few MounTechs survived much beyond a year due to poor seals for the 2nd parallelogram.

Thanks so much for the great info TMar. I was hoping youíd chime in!


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