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Old 06-08-20, 06:56 PM
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Info and Suggestions for Vintage Araya Sew-Up Rims

These are NOS, very lightweight and appear to be well made. The o.d. is 634 mm, width is 20mm

It's been a while since I had sew-ups so I'm wondering if puting these to use is yet another rabbit hole to navigate.




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I would see it as worthwhile and not too challenging. It IS wheelbuilding and you have to do it carefully and correctly. What do you think makes it a rabbit hole?
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I would see it as worthwhile and not too challenging. It IS wheelbuilding and you have to do it carefully and correctly. What do you think makes it a rabbit hole?
Tubular tires.

I currently run 700C and 27" clinchers so I'm a bit hesitant to invest in yet another type. I do like the qualty of the rims, that's why I'm considering building them up.

Any suggestions for tires? I wouldn't be using them in the inner city which is most of my riding, too much debris, speed bumps, etc.. I'd save them for when I'm on a road trip out of town.
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Originally Posted by branko_76 View Post
Tubular tires.

I currently run 700C and 27" clinchers so I'm a bit hesitant to invest in yet another type. I do like the qualty of the rims, that's why I'm considering building them up.

Any suggestions for tires? I wouldn't be using them in the inner city which is most of my riding, too much debris, speed bumps, etc.. I'd save them for when I'm on a road trip out of town.
You generally get what you pay for with tubulars. The cheaper stuff doesnt ride as a tubular should and the expensive stuff is nice but....well expensive.
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You generally get what you pay for with tubulars. The cheaper stuff doesnt ride as a tubular should and the expensive stuff is nice but....well expensive.
Considering I paid almost nothing for the rims, I can splurge a little on the tires.
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My first thought is some Panaracers would look right at home on those rims. They were always good tires and they still come in skinwall. Seems like the modern ones trend narrow though. I'd suggest 24-25 mm for most vintage tubular rims.

I never found tubulars to be any more of a hassle than clinchers. In some ways they are easier. The main thing if you haven't used them before is the unfamiliarity. Have you weighed those? It's a good idea to confirm if they are some reasonable weight for everyday use.
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Salamandrine , they are 364 gms each. My first serious road bike in the late 1970's was a Falcon with sew-ups. I don't recall having any real problems with them but for some reason, I converted to clinchers.

My first two searches did not produce Panaracer tubulars...

https://www.benscycle.com/tires/tubular/28219/search

https://www.biketiresdirect.com/sear...&fcat=ctt&so=i

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Originally Posted by branko_76 View Post
Tubular tires.

I currently run 700C and 27" clinchers so I'm a bit hesitant to invest in yet another type. I do like the qualty of the rims, that's why I'm considering building them up.

I wouldn't be using them in the inner city which is most of my riding, too much debris, speed bumps, etc.. I'd save them for when I'm on a road trip out of town.
Go ahead. You will eventually learn the joy of flatting on your spare while miles from home and having to patch a tubular in the sun on a 95 degree day. This builds character and sells clinchers.
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I see there are two sizes available, 700c and 650c....
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I use the Continental Gatorskin tubulars on my Araya rims. They're pretty durable, I've actually gotten more flats on clinchers with tubes than the Conti's. I keep a spare under my saddle so I don't have to repair it while on the ride. The Gatorskin has a nice reddish brown wall which I think looks good on classic bicycles.

Tubulars are not what they used to be .. life is too short not to try them!!

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Originally Posted by ScottRyder View Post
I use the Continental Gatorskin tubulars on my Araya rims. They're pretty durable, I've actually gotten more flats on clinchers with tubes than the Conti's. I keep a spare under my saddle so I don't have to repair it while on the ride. The Gatorskin has a nice reddish brown wall which I think looks good on classic bicycles.

Tubulars are not what they used to be .. life is too short not to try them!!

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Thanks. Why are tubulars "not what they used to be"?
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Thanks. Why are tubulars "not what they used to be"?
More modern, stronger materials. The old tubulars were super fragile, in the 70's I would get flats all the time. Went to clinchers for 30 years, now I'm back with the "sew ups". One flat in 5 years.

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364 gms is pretty light. BITD Mavic 330(gms) and 280's(GMS) were some of the lightest around. Most rims typically are closer to 400gms IIRC. I have been keeping an eye out for older tubular rims and if they are a good price, buy them. My goal is to go nearly all the way with sew-ups. At least have an extra wheel set with tubulars. If you want good performance for the buck then I would recommend Vittoria Corsa G+. I have a set of clinchers of this model and absolutely recommend them. They ride better at higher pressures, like 125 to130. Other tires were run at 110/115.
280's would not support heavy riders for very long and often were only used for racing.
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Awesome ! Thanks guys.

I have another set that are almost identical but have ARY (Arayaind) labels
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check out this thread Totally Tubular
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I really only suggested Panaracers because I remember on the rare occasions that Japanese made racing bikes came through the shop BITD, they usually if not always had Araya rims and were shod with Panaracer tubulars. It was my job to glue them on... IIRC I think they may have had synthetic casings rather than cotton, which would have made them a bit ahead of the curve. I see that Panaracer tubulars are imported only rather sporadically these days. A couple ebay vendors sell them.

I really like Continental tubulars too. I had Conti tubulars on my commute bike when I lived in SF, and never once flatted them. (which proves to me that tubulars are perfect for commute bikes. )

I think 363g is a good middle of the road weight for a general purpose tubular rim. Should be reasonably sturdy but still have some of that zippy feel of low rotational mass.
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And your Hubs? Spokes? 3X of course.
i second the suggestion of Vitoria Corsa G+ (graphene or whatever). But they are pricey. I have 23s on one bike, pumped up to 90 psi (I am at 155) and they are nice riding. You should get 3 tires and some Stans. If the price on the Corsas is shocking, get some Rally's. I have a pair on another bike in size 25s and at 80 psi, they ride pretty nicely. I might try 75 psi.
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And your Hubs? Spokes? 3X of course.
i second the suggestion of Vitoria Corsa G+ (graphene or whatever). But they are pricey. I have 23s on one bike, pumped up to 90 psi (I am at 155) and they are nice riding. You should get 3 tires and some Stans. If the price on the Corsas is shocking, get some Rally's. I have a pair on another bike in size 25s and at 80 psi, they ride pretty nicely. I might try 75 psi.
I have a pair of Campy GS high-flange as well as Zeus high-flange hubs that I will use. Yes to 3X and butted spokes.
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i second the suggestion of Vitoria Corsa G+ (graphene or whatever). But they are pricey. I have 23s on one bike, pumped up to 90 psi (I am at 155) and they are nice riding. You should get 3 tires and some Stans. If the price on the Corsas is shocking, get some Rally's. I have a pair on another bike in size 25s and at 80 psi, they ride pretty nicely. I might try 75 psi.
As others have said, you get what you pay for. I ran a set of Rally's and they are not much different than running clinchers. They will do in a pinch or a spare. The Vittorias can be found on sale at a much more palatable price than typical.
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Back when I rode tubulars, I discovered Panaracers, though they had a different name then. Yes, they had nylon casings, and I think they were the only brand. Nylon has a better strength-to-weight ratio than cotton and probably silk, too. They worked well for me. But I bet the new Continental and Vittoria tires are great, too.
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branko_76 If you decide not to build them into wheels, let me know.
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And your Hubs? Spokes? 3X of course.
i second the suggestion of Vitoria Corsa G+ (graphene or whatever). But they are pricey. I have 23s on one bike, pumped up to 90 psi (I am at 155) and they are nice riding. You should get 3 tires and some Stans. If the price on the Corsas is shocking, get some Rally's. I have a pair on another bike in size 25s and at 80 psi, they ride pretty nicely. I might try 75 psi.
thanks for the suggestions, it's been pretty helpful
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BITD we only used Euro rims, we scoffed at Araya but actually they are really
well made rims, as good as any others 365grams is a good all-round weight
light enough to have that sewup zippyness while being plenty strong. I've always
pumped my sewups to 120 (isn't that the point of tubs?) once I lucked into some
silks which I pumped to 150 ( silk tires on 260gr rims. wow what a feeling!)
good luck with your new wheels I think you'll like em.
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I have some challenge elite pros on one bike...not a lot of miles but super nice ride and fairly economical if you can find them (check out the uk bike shops)

I just ordered the vittoria corsa G control (slightly different than the corsa G+) for my "best" bike......so i can soon compare
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