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Andy_K 06-20-20 02:12 PM

1974 Masi Gran Criterium
 
I "finished" this one last week, but haven't gotten around to posting pictures. I bought it back in April. Some of you may remember seeing it in Bob Freeman's "Bikes in a Barn" listing on Classic Rendezvous. It's one of the early California Masi's, serial number 119, but it looks like someone added a few braze-ons and repainted it. The bike was mostly complete when I bought it. I just switched out the stem and handlebars for fit, and added new tires, hoods, and bar tape, and swapped in a bigger cassette (13-28 IRD Classica).

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Spaghetti Legs 06-20-20 02:19 PM

Thats a nice one Andy. Love the fork crown!

Andy_K 06-20-20 02:24 PM

You may have noticed in the first picture that something isn't quite right about the brake levers. At first, I thought I just had them installed at different heights on the bars. After closer inspection, they don't match. (The hoods, BTW, are reproductions I got from Italy on eBay recently.)

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So it goes.

Switching to a stem with a 26mm clamp let me use a set of older shield logo Cinelli bars.

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The saddle that came with the bike is a nice Ideale of some kind. I'm not sure if I should just ride it until the leather breaks (or I do) or if there's something I can still do at this point to preserve it.

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Finally, the rims it came with are interesting. I've heard about sleeved rims, but this is the first time I've had a set that you could actually see that it was sleeved. Anyone know anything about these?

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gomango 06-20-20 03:18 PM

Such a nice example.

When it rains, it pours nice bikes on the forum today.

Love the fork crown as well, plus so many other nice details.

Congrats!

Drillium Dude 06-20-20 03:21 PM

Nice. The brake levers: the non-drive lever is the original design while the driveside one is the later version. I think the change in shape happened along with the CPSC-mandated changes in 1979.

The rims look to be 90s Mavics with machined sidewalls and closing join. I run these on all my users and they're bulletproof.

DD

cycleheimer 06-20-20 04:01 PM

This one has been on NYC (Fairfield) for a couple of years at least. They want $3,500 for it. CL isn't the best place to sell a $3,500 bike. Plenty of photos on the CL post. Reminds me of the
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9df4b109f2.jpg
Breaking Away Masi Gran Criterium.

repechage 06-20-20 04:14 PM

Early Carlsbad GC's are hard to beat even modified, the terrific fork crown, the extra beef on the lower head lug downtube spigot... the extended seat lug.

I am biased, I have a bunch.

Smart to just leave the paint.

Ask RHM on the saddle conservation.

Andy_K 06-20-20 04:29 PM


Originally Posted by cycleheimer (Post 21544577)
This one has been on NYC (Fairfield) for a couple of years at least. They want $3,500 for it. CL isn't the best place to sell a $3,500 bike. Plenty of photos on the CL post. Reminds me of the
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...9df4b109f2.jpg
Breaking Away Masi Gran Criterium.

That does seem like a very ambitious price for the NYC Masi, especially with rust on the chrome. I guess the color helps though. On eBay who knows.....

Andy_K 06-20-20 04:31 PM


Originally Posted by Drillium Dude (Post 21544531)
Nice. The brake levers: the non-drive lever is the original design while the driveside one is the later version. I think the change in shape happened along with the CPSC-mandated changes in 1979.

The rims look to be 90s Mavics with machined sidewalls and closing join. I run these on all my users and they're bulletproof.

DD

Fantastic info. Many thanks!

Andy_K 06-20-20 04:43 PM

What is the significance of the flags chose on the downtube decal?

Salamandrine 06-20-20 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by Andy_K (Post 21544454)
Switching to a stem with a 26mm clamp let me use a set of older shield logo Cinelli bars.

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...85f0ba6d_c.jpg

Just a head's up. Cinelli bars were 26.4 mm, not 26.0. This lasted long past the end of the shield logo era. People used to cram them into 26.0 3TTT bars and get away with it, but it really isn't a good idea.

Nice classic Masi for sure. Congrats.

bikemig 06-20-20 05:09 PM

Beautiful bike for sure. How do you like the IRD freewheel? I've read some mixed reviews of them. Also how is that NR campy RD handling the 13-28 freewheel? I've gotten that combo to work but I've had to shove the wheel back in the drop out to make it happen.

Andy_K 06-20-20 05:23 PM


Originally Posted by Salamandrine (Post 21544662)
Just a head's up. Cinelli bars were 26.4 mm, not 26.0. This lasted long past the end of the shield logo era. People used to cram them into 26.0 3TTT bars and get away with it, but it really isn't a good idea.

That's what I've read, but these measure 25.97mm on my digital calipers and fit easily in a 26.0 mm Nitto. I've found a few other examples of people claiming they had 26.0 shield logo Cinelli bars.

Andy_K 06-20-20 05:25 PM


Originally Posted by bikemig (Post 21544694)
Beautiful bike for sure. How do you like the IRD freewheel? I've read some mixed reviews of them. Also how is that NR campy RD handling the 13-28 freewheel? I've gotten that combo to work but I've had to shove the wheel back in the drop out to make it happen.

So far, so good. I moved it from another bike, but still have only used it for about 200 miles. In that time I've been very happy with it. The finish is beautiful. This is the now discontinued model with shifting ramps, which work wonderfully.

Andy_K 06-20-20 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by Salamandrine (Post 21544662)
Just a head's up. Cinelli bars were 26.4 mm, not 26.0. This lasted long past the end of the shield logo era. People used to cram them into 26.0 3TTT bars and get away with it, but it really isn't a good idea.

Nice classic Masi for sure. Congrats.


Originally Posted by Andy_K (Post 21544721)
That's what I've read, but these measure 25.97mm on my digital calipers and fit easily in a 26.0 mm Nitto. I've found a few other examples of people claiming they had 26.0 shield logo Cinelli bars.

Here's an example: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...elli-bars.html

And there's an interesting note here: Velo-Retro: Cinelli Timeline

"Every Cinelli stem had a 26.4mm clamp all the way until the 1990s, with a freakish 26.0 exception from the '60s."

So if they made some 26.0 stems, it seems reasonable to think they also made some 26.0 handlebars?

Andy_K 06-20-20 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by bikemig (Post 21544694)
Also how is that NR campy RD handling the 13-28 freewheel? I've gotten that combo to work but I've had to shove the wheel back in the drop out to make it happen.

It's working great. At first the top jockey wheel bumped the cog in the 28T gear, but moving the wheel back just a little fixed that.

Bad Lag 06-20-20 05:41 PM

I am in lust.

There was a powder blue one for sale here a while back. I almost pulled the trigger several times. Now, the ad is gone.

For me, this is a "grail bike".

repechage 06-20-20 06:07 PM


Originally Posted by Andy_K (Post 21544731)
Here's an example: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...elli-bars.html

And there's an interesting note here: Velo-Retro: Cinelli Timeline

"Every Cinelli stem had a 26.4mm clamp all the way until the 1990s, with a freakish 26.0 exception from the '60s."

So if they made some 26.0 stems, it seems reasonable to think they also made some 26.0 handlebars?

Yes, there were 26.0 "early" Cinelli bars. I have had two, mine were without anodizing. The VAST majority of the "crest" bars are 26.4. But, test, don't guess.
Some claim the knurling for the stem provides identification, measure.

Salamandrine 06-20-20 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by Andy_K (Post 21544731)
Here's an example: https://www.bikeforums.net/classic-v...elli-bars.html

And there's an interesting note here: Velo-Retro: Cinelli Timeline

"Every Cinelli stem had a 26.4mm clamp all the way until the 1990s, with a freakish 26.0 exception from the '60s."

So if they made some 26.0 stems, it seems reasonable to think they also made some 26.0 handlebars?

OK, that's really weird. The micrometer doesn't lie though. If it says 25.97, obviously you'll be fine. I guess in a way that's pretty lucky, since you have many more options.

I've seen a whole lot of Cinelli bars and stems, and I've never seen one that wasn't 26.4, at least not till after the switch in the 90s. IMO saying they made some would be a gross exaggeration. Really rare IME. I can't really explain your bar. My first inclination is that it's a later bar with a retro logo. Another possibilities is that it was something that they did for only a couple years in the early 60s or something, when transitioning from steel bars. The Cinelli steel bars were 25.4, btw. Lastly, maybe a big manufacturer had enough pull to convince them to make some OEM models 26.0, so they could switch between 3TTT and Cinelli and ITM or whoever else. Cuz money talks... But really, I don't know. Interesting mystery.

Salamandrine 06-20-20 06:14 PM


Originally Posted by repechage (Post 21544783)
Yes, there were 26.0 "early" Cinelli bars. I have had two, mine were without anodizing. The VAST majority of the "crest" bars are 26.4. But, test, don't guess.
Some claim the knurling for the stem provides identification, measure.

OK, this is starting to make sense. Sounds like an early transitional size. Early to mid 60s was before my time. The bars in the photo appear to be un-anodized, which supports this.


I still remember some old timers complaining about the newfangled alloy bars, long after Cinelli steel was gone.

SurferRosa 06-20-20 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by Andy_K (Post 21544731)

Most all my bars are a little off like that. I currently have five Cinelli stem/bar combos:

Bike ... Bar clamp diameter ... Stamped bar width ... Measured bar width
Moto ... 26.2 ... 38 ... 37.8
Bertoni ... 26.3 ... none ... 39
Pmount ... 26.2 ... 38 ... 37.8
None ... 26.2 ... 38 ... 38.3
None ... 26 ... 40 ... 39.4

I measured bar clamp diameter right next to the mounted stem.

P.L.Jensen 06-20-20 06:46 PM

As a skinny high schooler in the early 70's, I sat through many a class daydreaming of owning a Masi, or a Mondia with those fade paint jobs...

Andy_K 06-20-20 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by Salamandrine (Post 21544786)
IMO saying they made some would be a gross exaggeration.

My university logic teacher taught me that "some" means "at least one, maybe more." I think that applies in this case. ;)

Salamandrine 06-20-20 06:51 PM


Originally Posted by Andy_K (Post 21544834)
My university logic teacher taught me that "some" means "at least one, maybe more." I think that applies in this case. ;)

:D Can't argue with that kind of logic. :lol:

Andy_K 06-20-20 06:57 PM


Originally Posted by SurferRosa (Post 21544822)
Most all my bars are a little off like that. I currently have five Cinelli stem/bar combos:

Bike ... Bar clamp diameter ... Stamped bar width ... Measured bar width
Moto ... 26.2 ... 38 ... 37.8
Bertoni ... 26.3 ... none ... 39
Pmount ... 26.2 ... 38 ... 37.8
None ... 26.2 ... 38 ... 38.3
None ... 26 ... 40 ... 39.4

I measured bar clamp diameter right next to the mounted stem.

Interesting. The bars on my Serotta measure 26.2 and slip pretty easily in the pantographed 1R stem. The bars that came with the Masi (which have the "star") measure a clean 26.4.


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