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Old 07-15-20, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
I'm no artist and to an artist I'm sure it would be quite clear that my understanding of art is rudimentary at best, but my take is that bicycles as an art form and art on bicycles are entirely separate genres that shouldn't be mixed. That Colnago is not the worst example I've seen. That honor/ignominy would go to Ana Benaroya's Cinelli bar tape:


I don't doubt that Ms. Benaroya is a fine artist, but I bought a bike recently with this stuff on it and removing it was my top priority.
You may be a philistene, bur you make a very convincing argument right there, for your point of view. Wow.
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Heresy in thought

Is putting modern Shimano drivetrain parts on an hand made Italian frame still considered blasphemy?

Or is it so common now that it's like eating meat on Friday?

Asking for a friend....
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Originally Posted by tgot View Post
Is putting modern Shimano drivetrain parts on an hand made Italian frame still considered blasphemy?

Or is it so common now that it's like eating meat on Friday?

Asking for a friend....
You could do worse:

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You could do worse
Oh, shut up.



It was a hell of a mutt, and a hell of a ride it was.

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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
Oh, shut up.



It was a hell of a mutt, and a hell of a ride it was.

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Lol. Paint on the Guerciotti is fun, but that Raleigh behind it is ravishing!
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Old 07-15-20, 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel View Post
Lol. Paint on the Guerciotti is fun, but that Raleigh behind it is ravishing!
For better or worse, it was the Guerciotti that met the hood of a Mercedes. The Raleigh survived for as long as I had it.



And here's a Super Course with Campagnolo Victory paired with Shimano 105 Uniglide hubs, just for the sake of inquisition:



Filing off the Arabesque from Shimano 600 shifters? Blasphemous.




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Old 07-15-20, 11:03 PM
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You people are just sick! I mean, what kind of monster puts modern Shimano parts one a classic Italian bike?



Seriously, though, I'm pretty sure 1984 is the cutoff year for this being acceptable. An old Cinelli or Masi or something -- no, not acceptable.
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Old 07-16-20, 12:25 AM
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And a triple, no less!
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And a triple, no less!
Of course! Iíve never seen a bike I didnít want to put a triple on.
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When sources for Campagnolo 8-speed Exa-Drive cassettes of wider range dried up for my wife’s Record/Chorus-equipped custom Erickson, I switched it to Shimano Ultegra hubs and cogs with a Wheels Mfg conversion kit. And what’s worse, the much less expensive Shimano cogs lasted significantly longer, shifting was the same, and no difference in hub smoothness compared to the previous Record hubs. That frame now hangs in the overhead gallery at Recycled Cycles, and I have no photos of that detail to prove this heresy.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
Of course! Iíve never seen a bike I didnít want to put a triple on.
I may be in violation of the 1984 cutoff, but I'm hoping to at least go silver-toned on the Taiwanese crankset pushing Japanese drivetrain on the Italian frame.
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
Seriously, though, I'm pretty sure 1984 is the cutoff year for this being acceptable.
Whew! I think mine is an '85.

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Originally Posted by Dfrost View Post
When sources for Campagnolo 8-speed Exa-Drive cassettes of wider range dried up for my wifeís Record/Chorus-equipped custom Erickson, I switched it to Shimano Ultegra hubs and cogs with a Wheels Mfg conversion kit. And whatís worse, the much less expensive Shimano cogs lasted significantly longer, shifting was the same, and no difference in hub smoothness compared to the previous Record hubs. That frame now hangs in the overhead gallery at Recycled Cycles, and I have no photos of that detail to prove this heresy.
That's alright. We're willing to believe that you're a heretic.

Don't your current bikes have a very similar setup?
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Originally Posted by RiddleOfSteel View Post
You could do worse:

This one still in the stable?
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
That's alright. We're willing to believe that you're a heretic.

Don't your current bikes have a very similar setup?
Yup, although both of mine are Sachs Ergo with New Success RD’s, using my “custom” Shimano 8-speed cassettes. The floating Sachs upper pulley, like Shimano, makes these sooo much easier to adjust compared to Mary’s Campy Ergo 8-speed, which needed precisely adjusted cable tension for consistent shifts. I once replaced a Sachs rear shift cable on the side of the road in the middle of a touring day. It went so quickly that other couple in our group, ahead on the road, didn’t realized I’d stopped for the fix.

Didn’t think there were enough (any?) Sachs purists out there to justify a confession.
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How about a carbon fork with a wood rimmed wheel? Even the rest of the bike couldn't tolerate this combination.

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There's nothing wrong with an IGH on a lightweight frame. In fact, I'd like to see more of this combo.

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To be honest, it works great. Absolute only drawback is weight. Even though I lose a lot of parts, and just need a single 30T chainring up front, I still gain some weight. It's really low maintenance, and the shifting is amazing. Best part is I can shift while coasting and stopped. Not a big deal on a road bike, but I wish my MTB did that!
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Originally Posted by Andy_K View Post
How about a carbon fork with a wood rimmed wheel? Even the rest of the bike couldn't tolerate this combination.
That's beautiful. Someone ought to build up a current whiz-bang carbon machine with that exact wheelset.

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To be honest, it works great. Absolute only drawback is weight. Even though I lose a lot of parts, and just need a single 30T chainring up front, I still gain some weight. It's really low maintenance, and the shifting is amazing. Best part is I can shift while coasting and stopped. Not a big deal on a road bike, but I wish my MTB did that!
A pound or two extra isn't much to give up in exchange for effortless, civilized shifting.

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Need I say more!? I have not been the same man since.

It is a wonder that you still have front teeth from the crash that bent the frame and broke the font wheel when the brake pads went flying out ahead of the bike! Smiles, MH
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Didn’t think there were enough (any?) Sachs purists out there to justify a confession.
I don't know. After seeing your Marinoni, I've developed the opinion that all classic Candadian bikes should be built up with Sachs components. You probably have more acceptable options with the Miyata,
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It is a wonder that you still have front teeth from the crash that bent the frame and broke the font wheel when the brake pads went flying out ahead of the bike! Smiles, MH
That could be a problem, but are those post-CPSC brakes on a pre-1978 Masi?
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Originally Posted by cudak888 View Post
That's beautiful. Someone ought to build up a current whiz-bang carbon machine with that exact wheelset.



A pound or two extra isn't much to give up in exchange for effortless, civilized shifting.

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I totally agree. This is definitely the bike Iím keeping forever and riding when Iím 75. I put a Phil Touring hub up front so the bike will last. A lot of people would disagree, so thatís why I posted it. Glad to hear from someone else that appreciates IGHs. Iíve loved them since I was a kid with the old AW hubs. Still have a couple of those on bikes, one with a coaster brake.
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I confess, this is the only surviving, seldom seen, semi-compact 9 speed touring Srampagmano matching groupset.

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I don't know. After seeing you're Marinoni, I've developed the opinion that all classic Candadian bikes should be built up with Sachs components. You probably have more acceptable options with the Miyata,
German components on a French bike would really ruffle some feathers.
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I put a Spanish seatpost on my Japanese racing bike. Zeus. (Won that post racing the bike. It was of course, 27.2 and I had to exchange it for a 26.8) Funny thing is that I bent the post that came on the bike that race - descending Vermont's Smuggler's Notch in mist so I could not see the big frost heave coming until all I had time to do was hold on. (I was going most of 60 mph.) Biggest kick in the butt I've ever had on a bike! Went airborne. Came down going straight and everything worked so I just went on. Took a few days to see the bend.

Next season the bike had a Campy NR headset.
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