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Old 07-29-20, 03:24 PM
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Are there really any classic and or vintage rules?

As the title states, are there really any rules for what we consider a classic or vintage bike? The reason Iím asking is Iím putting together a project bike. It is a 1999 Waterford. It was the last year for a full Reynolds 531 frame and fork for Waterford. That and the fact is a lugged frame wit a 1Ē fork. If you didnít know most folks would say itís a typical 80ís era bike. The only non vintage thing is no down tube bosses. But thatís isnít a problem if you use barcon shifters.

Any opinions or suggestions for a proper group.
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No rules. Build to suit and ride like the dickens.

For the era of manufacture, maybe 9-speed Ultegra or DA? Nice looking stuff, silver, five arm cranks, can go double or triple, and DA 7700 downtube shifters are quite nice.
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for 1999, I honestly like Record RD-00 a lot. The first one with carbon in it, and arguably marking their rise from the doldrums of the 90s. I think that's right when Ergopower levers got good too.
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Rule #1

Don't tell your wife or significant other how many or what it cost!!😄😄😄😄😄
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Originally Posted by cs1 View Post
If you didnít know most folks would say itís a typical 80ís era bike. The only non vintage thing is no down tube bosses. But thatís isnít a problem if you use barcon shifters.
I think thatís where the term classic comes in over vintage. Aesthetically the same, chronologically different, but they belong together in discussions and photographs
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Old 07-29-20, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jjames1452 View Post
Don't tell your wife or significant other how many or what it cost!!😄😄😄😄😄
Rule #2 : Follow the rules.
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Originally Posted by cs1 View Post
As the title states, are there really any rules for what we consider a classic or vintage bike? The reason I’m asking is I’m putting together a project bike. It is a 1999 Waterford. It was the last year for a full Reynolds 531 frame and fork for Waterford. That and the fact is a lugged frame wit a 1” fork. If you didn’t know most folks would say it’s a typical 80’s era bike. The only non vintage thing is no down tube bosses. But that’s isn’t a problem if you use barcon shifters.

Any opinions or suggestions for a proper group.


Short answer, no especially for this which is great.

All the things you mention put it squarely in the realm, checks all boxes for C+V regardless of when it was built.

I love it when this happens, so cool to keep the flame burning, retro, classic, vintage, tribute, et all, the foundation is rock solid.

As we all know, Waterford's Schwinn roots go back as far as most so its all good.

Make it so.

Here's one I just built with exactly all this in mind and modern group to boot.

The old and the new, the ying and the yang, the good, bad and the ugly, you decide.



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Old 07-29-20, 04:26 PM
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Here you go!

What does Classic & Vintage mean??
Define "Classic & Vintage"
What is a classic or vintage bike
What constitutes classic, or vintage?
What constitutes a Classic or Vintage (How old ???)
Define "Classic" and "Vintage" For Me
So what's the difference? Classic vs Vintage
Classic or Vintage?
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1. Make your own rules.


2. Then break them.
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Rules? We don't need no stinkin rules...............

Seriously. The only rule about classic and vintage bikes is to get one for as little $ as possible. Put a ton of $ into it in order for it to be "perfect". Then, sell it for 1/2 what you have in it and, start all over again.
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Rules? We don't need no stinkin rules...............

Seriously. The only rule about classic and vintage bikes is to get one for as little $ as possible. Put a ton of $ into it in order for it to be "perfect". Then, sell it for 1/2 what you have in it and, start all over again.
You must be breakin some rules if you can get 1/2 back.
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Your frame. Barcons are classic. That's good. Smallish compact cassette and if needed use small chain rings. Do not use a threadless stem adapter. Put non Aero brake levers on it and then 99% of folks will only see brake cables and bar end shifters and think it is truly C&V.
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You must be breakin some rules if you can get 1/2 back.

So True!!!! Not just breakin some but a **** load!
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Only rule in C+V Club is nobody talks about C+V Club.
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It's a classic Keeper of the Flame. Put what you want on it. Or what shows up... I know 9 speed ruled the market then but 8 speed Ergo was sublime.
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Don't stick pitchforks in other folks' babies.

It's ok to say you don't care for it, or suggest what you'd do different, or even suggest tactfully that they'd get more love in a different Forum, but don't say that their Viscount is a worthless piece of junk and that nobody with any sense would ever buy one. (just to pick a random example of what not to do)

The exception is Biopace. I still don't get that.

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Ride what you want.
Want what you ride.
Stick to this rule, and be satisfied.

Like what you build.
Build what you like.
Just remember, it’s only a bike.

Oldish cool frames
Newish cool parts
Make going fast easy, for crotchety old farts.

You may ask now
But soon you will know..
It really don’t matter, as long as they go.
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Ride it like you stole it. But don’t steal it.
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The only rule is to photograph your bike from the drive side.
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I can only think of one rule. When you post the photo of the completed project, make it's taken from the drive side. It's a little know fact that Team Cinzano's annoyance with Dave Stoller was actually due to his showing them the non-drive of his Masi.
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Some stuff I've gotten away with here:


a re-painted, re-imagined 1971 Raleigh Super Course 81 speed



"Gugified" 1972 Raleigh Competition that has become a 650B cantilever rando rig with 2 x 9 bar con gearing



1977 Raleigh Team Professional "Crayola" - repainted (my repaints all have had indisputably trashed paint) in 120 degree off color scheme, with the 753 frame inexplicably spread to accept a 2 x 9 brifter set-up.



199? Giant Iguana repainted and converted to drop bar rig with 2 x 10 gearing. It can go almost anywhere an old body can point it.



2000 Bob Jackson Arrowhead - as purchased circa 2010. It's the baby of the fleet has 2 x 9 brifters with full Campagnolo Daytona, and even a radially laced front wheel I'm not even certain if the rims are alloy (but I suspect they are).

*important note - picture was taken midway through a ride where a saddle bolt got lost, and the position wouldn't hold. NOT the normal angle.

The folks here are the greatest group of people I've encountered - which is saying something, because my work colleagues are pretty danged awesome too. There's an occasional instance where someone may have had a bad day chased by one or two too many, but people are uniformly helpful and generous with their knowledge and advice.
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Kona Kapu


Kona Kapu
853 Steel
Cool lugs
9 speed Ultegra
and a Bio Pace crank

New and old blend.
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Originally Posted by Classtime View Post
Do not use a threadless stem adapter.
I agree, but that doesn't mean I agree with not going threadless on a C&V frame. You just gotta do it 'right', which at the time meant designing my own headset.

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7,000+ posts and no intro picture on a Waterford? Bro! Why you holdin' out on us???

More seriously, 7700 or 7800 era Dura-Ace and some pretty wheels and call it a day. Classic good looks and modern convenience meets a frameset of the same thinking.
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