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Old 08-03-20, 02:50 AM
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The go fast, high-flange hub thread

These Record 1035 hubs (date code 1972) are begging me to build up and mount on my Miyata. I'm inspired by the badass black '80s bike from which they were acquired/saved/confiscated.


Hubs in question. Sshhh. They know they have mismatched skewers. Don't say anything.


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I've really never ridden high-flange hubs very long on a go-fast keeper. Talking clinchers here. So no glue huffing.

I'm wondering ...

1) Will I notice a difference between these and low-flange hubs? I am pretty sensitive.

2) Would dark anodized rims look totally wack? Too risky? Anyone do that with shiny high-flange hubs? Got pics?

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Old 08-03-20, 04:07 AM
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Hey, each to their own.
The hubs are beautiful. How many people even know the difference between Nuovo Tipo and Record skewers, and how many of those would actually gripe about the NT front?
The bike is also beautiful, though I'm not used to seeing the Italo-mix components on a Japanese bike... Or a Brooks Pro on an '80s go fast...
Me, I would go silver with the brakeset and be done. A vintage beauty...
Then, on the other bike, (Isn't there always another bike?)
​go dark anodized, go fast components
That's why I said at the top, each to his own.
​​​​​​As far as road feel, if you built them as done in '72, and compared them to lf wheels built the same way, I would say yes, on a long ride on chipseal or such like.
Using heavier rims and building high tensioned wheels like in the eighties, and then riding clincher tires, rather than the supple tubulars in use BITD, I don't think that I would notice the difference in flange height. I'm a sensitive guy, but my backside, wrists, and forearms, not very.
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BITD, like the 70's, the discussion of the difference was frequently stopped by someone saying that high flange hubs were better for track use and low flange for the street. The argument was that HF was a stiffer ride than the LF. Since knowone really could measure that statement, it was accepted. Most of my bikes back then frequently had HF hubs.
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I did put a pair on a 2010 bike a couple of years ago just to get to ride it.
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I keep them for the older bikes with bright rims. I have never really gotten use to dark rims anyway. However, I have accepted them. @SurferRosa you know this bike. Thanks for your responses.
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The tan tires tend to be accentuated with the black rims and the black tread. In this case the spokes are black too along with the hub. The hub in this case is like an in-between flange.
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Ride quality nor not they will look good.
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High flange hubs are only faster with the new low-rolling resistance, fat and (almost) flat tires. You Do have room for 42mms , Right? Or with bladed spokes, radially laced.
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I'm sensitive so I think high flange hubs look pretty.


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I put these on my fixed gear bike. Campagnolo Pista hubs, Arc-en-Ciel rims:
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The campy hi flange collection

I have five bikes set up with campy hi flange hubs. The hubs on the Motobecane Grand Record are tipos; the rest are record hubs. The Olmo and the Motobecane are finished. The Paramount, the Witcomb, and the Mercier are in the build queue. The Mercier wheels have Mavic Open 4 CD rims. They're not period correct for the bike but I think they look good against the kelly green color so they're staying.


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Thanks, all. Lovin' the pics.

Not much input on difference in feel. Maybe it's too difficult to quantify.

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@SurferRosa you know this bike. Thanks for your responses.
Yeah, I'm wondering what that rim/tire color combo would look like with my polished 1035s.
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I have a pair of decidedly not shiny hf hubs I've been thinking of building up. Never ridden them before
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The idea that wheels with different flange sizes have different feels is ancient folklore that has also been debunked for a long time. No, you can't feel it. But the placebo effect is strong. A more handsome bike is more enjoyable to ride.
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Can't say I've ever noticed a difference in feel between the two flange types.
@SurferRosa, that Miyata looks really, really nice! Very handsome bike!
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Campy high Flange are my favorite hubs , I have them on four different bikes. My quickest hubs are Mavic low Flange cartridge style that came on my Medici with dark anodized wheels. The Mavics are faster than my Phil hubs on my Windsor Pro but also newer. I don’t think I have seen high Flange Campy’s on dark wheels.
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Getting your hands on nice stuff like these 1035 hubs creates all sorts of problems.

Had I built up previous sets of wheels with dark rims, I wouldn't have this new fascination to do something different. I've even been looking for ways to disassemble current wheelsets to use their polished rims for these 1035s, and rebuild those other hubs on dark rims, but the hole counts are different.

"I could move these over there, and disassemble those to use with these and then build these on those and oh wait, I need a longer axle over there and..."
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I laced these onto H+ Sons clinchers. Although clearly not period-appropriate, the wide rim is a more comfortable ride for any eroica-style outings. I switched away from GL330 tubulars with low-flange hubs and can't tell the difference.
If I get any heat from the community, I'll swap out the H+Sons decal for an Ambrosia decal and 2/3 of the community won't notice anything out of order ;-)
The polish on the rim is way better than the polish on the hubs!

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They do add bling!
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The Mavic 500 series are very nice hubs! Always recognized as smooth and durable. Also valued!
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I used to think that the HF hubsets I had were stiffer. Not so sure any more. I will say that I notice frame flex more on the 2 1972 bikes with 120 HF hubs. I feel more flex on those 2 than some of my other frames made out of the same tubing/LF hubs.
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Polished Schwinn Approved LeTour high-flange sweetness - - yeah I know you're all jealous now.

I built them into some polished VO Diagonale rims, but I can unbuild them if anyone wants to trade them for their Maxi-Car or Odom high flange hubs.



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The SunXCD hubs are nice for 130 mm spaced restomod stuff and are a presentable match with pre CPSC Campagnolo Record skewers. I know, tied and soldered blasphemy.




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Good enough for somebody's Cino 2014 rig:



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When I was working on my parts bin B.Carre Lejeune I found a Tubular wheel set with the "lowly" Shimano 333 HF hubs.
They were a little rough at first, but after a rebuild with new bearings and heavy synthetic grease they are silky smooth and work as well as my record HF sets.


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I think it’s a really hard thing to measure by feel. You’d probably need to have two sets of wheels where the only difference is the hub flange height, same tires, rims, and spokes. Then you might be able to tell a difference on a perfect day with the moon just right for maximum placebo effect. Maybe.

The two sets of wheels I have with different flange record hubs ride different, but I chalk that up to tubulars vs clinchers.
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Originally Posted by SJX426 View Post
They do add bling!
LC_FrntHub_05w, on Flickr

The Mavic 500 series are very nice hubs! Always recognized as smooth and durable. Also valued!
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Those are the Mavic hubs that I have on my Medici 32 hole with Bladed spokes and no way to verify but I swear they are the smoothest , fastest hubs I have tried. Downhills are a blast.
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Shinny hubs with dark rims
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